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		<title>By: Adam Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term &quot;liberal&quot; and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual&#039;s right to private property, free markets, and a transparent system of government. All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.

Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment and rejected many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, established religion, and economic protectionism. Liberals argued that economic systems based on free markets are more efficient and generate more prosperity.

The first modern liberal state was the United States of America, founded on the principle that &quot;all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to insure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term &#8220;liberal&#8221; and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for a number of principles, including freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual&#8217;s right to private property, free markets, and a transparent system of government. All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.</p>
<p>Modern liberalism has its roots in the Age of Enlightenment and rejected many foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as the Divine Right of Kings, hereditary status, established religion, and economic protectionism. Liberals argued that economic systems based on free markets are more efficient and generate more prosperity.</p>
<p>The first modern liberal state was the United States of America, founded on the principle that &#8220;all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to insure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DirectorWho</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirectorWho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was preparing a Reader&#039;s Advisory list on &quot;Urban Fiction&quot;, and so looked it up on Google to narrow it down.  One library had a list prepared! Hooray, less work! Wrong.

From that list:

Urban Fiction: Stories about the bright lights of the big city

Block, Lawrence:  Matthew Scudder Series

Connelly, Michael:  Harry Bosch Series

Dreiser, Theodore: Sister Carrie 

McBain, Ed:  87th Precinct Series

I&#039;m surprised Parker, Robert B. Spencer series wasn&#039;t listed!

Anyway, how would you like to visit that library and ask for Urban Fiction, and be given THAT list? What would you think of the Library staff there? Would you go back?

Weird.
(oh, to find that list, type in the heading they give on Google. It will take you there.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was preparing a Reader&#8217;s Advisory list on &#8220;Urban Fiction&#8221;, and so looked it up on Google to narrow it down.  One library had a list prepared! Hooray, less work! Wrong.</p>
<p>From that list:</p>
<p>Urban Fiction: Stories about the bright lights of the big city</p>
<p>Block, Lawrence:  Matthew Scudder Series</p>
<p>Connelly, Michael:  Harry Bosch Series</p>
<p>Dreiser, Theodore: Sister Carrie </p>
<p>McBain, Ed:  87th Precinct Series</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised Parker, Robert B. Spencer series wasn&#8217;t listed!</p>
<p>Anyway, how would you like to visit that library and ask for Urban Fiction, and be given THAT list? What would you think of the Library staff there? Would you go back?</p>
<p>Weird.<br />
(oh, to find that list, type in the heading they give on Google. It will take you there.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nhlibrarian, I am behind you 100% - very well articulated!
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What&#039;s the point of redefining the library if it merely means the new poeple only come for these new features, demand these features ot be increased, and then demand that the &quot;Library&quot; part of the name be removed altogether along with the books and replaced with &quot;Community Center&quot; - because its no longer Just a place for books.
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I subscribe to the &quot;there&#039;s time and place for everything&quot; maxim; the library is a place for learning at any time.  Our society places such a low value on learning that now places of learning including schools are having to redefine their roles and programs in a way that keep the people engaged with the process.  In turn, we se these places losing their role within society.  Libraries are losing their role in soceity - because it will not take long before the library is declared nothing mroe then a publicly funded video arcade/cinema/cafe, all of which are already well represented around town by a number of other organizations.  If the town is small enough, and the local theater closes because they have to compete with the local library [in towns so small they get the feature films almost in time for it to come out on DVD], I fear we will see the public become resentful or even scronful of the library.  Ugh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nhlibrarian, I am behind you 100% &#8211; very well articulated!</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the point of redefining the library if it merely means the new poeple only come for these new features, demand these features ot be increased, and then demand that the &#8220;Library&#8221; part of the name be removed altogether along with the books and replaced with &#8220;Community Center&#8221; &#8211; because its no longer Just a place for books.</p>
<p>I subscribe to the &#8220;there&#8217;s time and place for everything&#8221; maxim; the library is a place for learning at any time.  Our society places such a low value on learning that now places of learning including schools are having to redefine their roles and programs in a way that keep the people engaged with the process.  In turn, we se these places losing their role within society.  Libraries are losing their role in soceity &#8211; because it will not take long before the library is declared nothing mroe then a publicly funded video arcade/cinema/cafe, all of which are already well represented around town by a number of other organizations.  If the town is small enough, and the local theater closes because they have to compete with the local library [in towns so small they get the feature films almost in time for it to come out on DVD], I fear we will see the public become resentful or even scronful of the library.  Ugh.</p>
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		<title>By: nhlibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>nhlibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And, I am not suggesting, and I don&#039;t think that anything in my post suggested, that there is a problem with offering popular literature that meets a certain quality standard.  I have read the entire Harry Potter series, and love it.  I think it promotes literacy by getting kids interested in reading - and it&#039;s written at a relatively high reading level.  What I am opposed to is offering poorly-written violent soft-core p0rn and calling it &quot;Urban Lit,&quot; to get people into the library, especially if once they&#039;re there, all they use if the urban lit.  Same thing with certain videogames and other gimmicks.  Unless you&#039;re talking about a public library that is on the brink of being shut down for wrong reasons, people should remember that there is no virtue in simply having people &quot;in the library.&quot;  There&#039;s no virtue in packing the library with crap just to attract bodies to the building, unless you know for sure that once those people are there, they&#039;re going to take advantage of the quality parts of your collection.  Remember that the library is there for a reason, to educate the public (or students, etc..)  Yes, it is a social place too, but that is not its primary role.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, I am not suggesting, and I don&#8217;t think that anything in my post suggested, that there is a problem with offering popular literature that meets a certain quality standard.  I have read the entire Harry Potter series, and love it.  I think it promotes literacy by getting kids interested in reading &#8211; and it&#8217;s written at a relatively high reading level.  What I am opposed to is offering poorly-written violent soft-core p0rn and calling it &#8220;Urban Lit,&#8221; to get people into the library, especially if once they&#8217;re there, all they use if the urban lit.  Same thing with certain videogames and other gimmicks.  Unless you&#8217;re talking about a public library that is on the brink of being shut down for wrong reasons, people should remember that there is no virtue in simply having people &#8220;in the library.&#8221;  There&#8217;s no virtue in packing the library with crap just to attract bodies to the building, unless you know for sure that once those people are there, they&#8217;re going to take advantage of the quality parts of your collection.  Remember that the library is there for a reason, to educate the public (or students, etc..)  Yes, it is a social place too, but that is not its primary role.</p>
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		<title>By: nhlibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>nhlibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reread my post, please.  I was talking about taking extreme measures to get people into the library - maybe you should read the NY Times piece.  I was specifically referring to Urban Lit when I used the word trashy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reread my post, please.  I was talking about taking extreme measures to get people into the library &#8211; maybe you should read the NY Times piece.  I was specifically referring to Urban Lit when I used the word trashy.</p>
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		<title>By: libgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>libgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is it that you equate &quot;getting people in the library&quot; with &quot;trashy&quot; material? Popular isn&#039;t the same thing as trashy. Harry Potter isn&#039;t trashy but people will definitely go to the library to read it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that you equate &#8220;getting people in the library&#8221; with &#8220;trashy&#8221; material? Popular isn&#8217;t the same thing as trashy. Harry Potter isn&#8217;t trashy but people will definitely go to the library to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: nhlibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>nhlibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ugh, a colleague told me about this NY Times story and I found it so annoying.  I will admit that I work at a very wealthy private institution, so I don&#039;t have to worry about circulation statistics and justifying the existence of the library, etc..  I get that if some city council is questioning the need for a library, then doing absolutely anything to get people into the library makes sense, from a certain perspective.  But many academic libraries that don&#039;t have to justify their existence are doing the same sort of thing (maybe not with trashy urban lit, but with videogames, cafes, etc.) and this annoys me to no end.  People need to take a step back.  Is there value in merely getting people into the library?  Maybe, if those people look around, see all the other resources, think &quot;wow,&quot; and start using them.  Otherwise, well then we lured people into a building, which just happens to be a library, but the people are not using it as a library.  So how is this valuable?  Ah, you say, the concept of the library needs to be redefined.  I&#039;m young (30) and realize that people now have all sorts of new learning tools and ways of learning, and we should embrace those after careful consideration.  But going back to a public library example... should we be redefining the library as a place that carries trashy books of the sort you probably wouldn&#039;t want your patrons viewing if they were viewing them on a computer in the library?  As a place for kids to play (non-educational) videogames?  As a place to eat?  There are other places for those things.  So again we come back to doing these thing just to get people into the building.  We say we&#039;re redefining the library but really we&#039;re just trying to get people into the building, and if they&#039;re in the building and don&#039;t use anything but the new things that lured them in there... what&#039;s the point?

As for this violent trash increasing people&#039;s reading... I doubt it.  Is reading trash better than reading nothing at all?  Maybe, but I highly doubt that the people who read it wouldn&#039;t also pick up a trashy magazine somewhere else (therefore, they&#039;d do reading at a similar level) and I highly doubt these trashy books are TEACHING the patrons to read.  They&#039;re not increasing literacy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, a colleague told me about this NY Times story and I found it so annoying.  I will admit that I work at a very wealthy private institution, so I don&#8217;t have to worry about circulation statistics and justifying the existence of the library, etc..  I get that if some city council is questioning the need for a library, then doing absolutely anything to get people into the library makes sense, from a certain perspective.  But many academic libraries that don&#8217;t have to justify their existence are doing the same sort of thing (maybe not with trashy urban lit, but with videogames, cafes, etc.) and this annoys me to no end.  People need to take a step back.  Is there value in merely getting people into the library?  Maybe, if those people look around, see all the other resources, think &#8220;wow,&#8221; and start using them.  Otherwise, well then we lured people into a building, which just happens to be a library, but the people are not using it as a library.  So how is this valuable?  Ah, you say, the concept of the library needs to be redefined.  I&#8217;m young (30) and realize that people now have all sorts of new learning tools and ways of learning, and we should embrace those after careful consideration.  But going back to a public library example&#8230; should we be redefining the library as a place that carries trashy books of the sort you probably wouldn&#8217;t want your patrons viewing if they were viewing them on a computer in the library?  As a place for kids to play (non-educational) videogames?  As a place to eat?  There are other places for those things.  So again we come back to doing these thing just to get people into the building.  We say we&#8217;re redefining the library but really we&#8217;re just trying to get people into the building, and if they&#8217;re in the building and don&#8217;t use anything but the new things that lured them in there&#8230; what&#8217;s the point?</p>
<p>As for this violent trash increasing people&#8217;s reading&#8230; I doubt it.  Is reading trash better than reading nothing at all?  Maybe, but I highly doubt that the people who read it wouldn&#8217;t also pick up a trashy magazine somewhere else (therefore, they&#8217;d do reading at a similar level) and I highly doubt these trashy books are TEACHING the patrons to read.  They&#8217;re not increasing literacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just tell me when I can put nothing but good and intelligent and educational materials on the shelf, and have nobody come in and nobody check anything out, and still keep my job and still get my salary, and I will.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just tell me when I can put nothing but good and intelligent and educational materials on the shelf, and have nobody come in and nobody check anything out, and still keep my job and still get my salary, and I will.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Gonquin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Gonquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I thought this was a discussion of urbane literature.  I am so sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this was a discussion of urbane literature.  I am so sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly Jahangiri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly Jahangiri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel like jumping off a cliff, now.

You&#039;ve just confirmed for me why I so rarely venture into the public library; everything I&#039;ve seen since leaving the ivory towers of a major university just disappoints. I want more from my local library than what I can buy at Wal-Mart or borrow from a neighbor. Granted, I enjoy a trashy novel now and then, but I can pay for my own guilty pleasures - that&#039;s what Amazon is for, right? 

Then again, there is SOMETHING to be said for basic reading skills. Otherwise, we would have to spend 90% of our time explaining things like how to use a toaster, instead of having heady debates on religion, politics, and philosophy--

Wait, this is my life; I&#039;m a mother and a technical writer. 

Pass me the trashy romance while Calgon takes me away...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like jumping off a cliff, now.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve just confirmed for me why I so rarely venture into the public library; everything I&#8217;ve seen since leaving the ivory towers of a major university just disappoints. I want more from my local library than what I can buy at Wal-Mart or borrow from a neighbor. Granted, I enjoy a trashy novel now and then, but I can pay for my own guilty pleasures &#8211; that&#8217;s what Amazon is for, right? </p>
<p>Then again, there is SOMETHING to be said for basic reading skills. Otherwise, we would have to spend 90% of our time explaining things like how to use a toaster, instead of having heady debates on religion, politics, and philosophy&#8211;</p>
<p>Wait, this is my life; I&#8217;m a mother and a technical writer. </p>
<p>Pass me the trashy romance while Calgon takes me away&#8230;</p>
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