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		<title>By: Techserving You</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2008/12/29/librarians-try-to-reinvent-things-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6238</link>
		<dc:creator>Techserving You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Mr. Kat.  And Ahniwa, I actually know who you are (I mean, personally, not by reputation)!  I applaud some of the things that you&#039;re doing in Washington State.  But I think that you need to be in the library profession longer, and in a variety of places (especially academic libraries) before you dump on the naysayers.  I have worked in 7 libraries and I find that the AL is often right on target with her observations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mr. Kat.  And Ahniwa, I actually know who you are (I mean, personally, not by reputation)!  I applaud some of the things that you&#8217;re doing in Washington State.  But I think that you need to be in the library profession longer, and in a variety of places (especially academic libraries) before you dump on the naysayers.  I have worked in 7 libraries and I find that the AL is often right on target with her observations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Primarily I have moved to another career field.  That should help with the spouted &quot;Librarian Shortage.&quot;
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I reject your notion that if I am somehow not embracing the Rah-Rah Librarianship model I am somehow doing Librarianship wrong.  The buggywhip makers 100 years ago could have been rah rah Optimism through the roof and they STILL would not have made it beyond the 1930s.  This is not about optimisim nor pessimism; this is about reality.  And today the reality of the situation is quite a bit removed from the ideality of the root philosophy of &quot;librarianship.&quot;
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Librarianship is nothing more than the position of a librarian, which historically has been a position that serves a role in connecting patron with information.  Today that role has been superceded in a large part by the accesibility of the internet in general and google in specific.  What unique value we once had has been vastly diminished; this is our reality!  It is not BAD librarianship to state reality!
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I could still have some optimisim if there were only a few failures; now tell me what I am supposed to do when the few failures are multiplied by a couple hundred!  Do I need to mention the specific failures of library budgets or the failures of library organizations to properly project the future demand for librarians?
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Mr. Lankes is doing something, but there is yet to be little to no proof that doing something is better than doing nothing when the value of something is already doubtable...
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The saying &quot;You&#039;re just Spinning your wheels&quot; comes to mind.  I seem to remember a high school teacher who drove his car off the road into a large mudhole.  He would have been better off doing nothing.  But instead, he did something; He put the car into gear and pressed down the gas.  He got all the way up to third gear when the tires caught the ground quite suddenly.  Instead of the car rocketing forward, the entire drivetrain instantaneously erupted into a pile of twisted wrecked parts, all the way form the engine to the back axle and everything in between.
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There is no proof that doing Something when the future is unknown is any better than doing Nothing.  Indeed, if you do Nothing, you may save yourself a lifetime in wasted energy and in the process find an endeavor elsewhere that actually leads to Something worthwhile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Primarily I have moved to another career field.  That should help with the spouted &#8220;Librarian Shortage.&#8221;</p>
<p>I reject your notion that if I am somehow not embracing the Rah-Rah Librarianship model I am somehow doing Librarianship wrong.  The buggywhip makers 100 years ago could have been rah rah Optimism through the roof and they STILL would not have made it beyond the 1930s.  This is not about optimisim nor pessimism; this is about reality.  And today the reality of the situation is quite a bit removed from the ideality of the root philosophy of &#8220;librarianship.&#8221;</p>
<p>Librarianship is nothing more than the position of a librarian, which historically has been a position that serves a role in connecting patron with information.  Today that role has been superceded in a large part by the accesibility of the internet in general and google in specific.  What unique value we once had has been vastly diminished; this is our reality!  It is not BAD librarianship to state reality!</p>
<p>I could still have some optimisim if there were only a few failures; now tell me what I am supposed to do when the few failures are multiplied by a couple hundred!  Do I need to mention the specific failures of library budgets or the failures of library organizations to properly project the future demand for librarians?</p>
<p>Mr. Lankes is doing something, but there is yet to be little to no proof that doing something is better than doing nothing when the value of something is already doubtable&#8230;</p>
<p>The saying &#8220;You&#8217;re just Spinning your wheels&#8221; comes to mind.  I seem to remember a high school teacher who drove his car off the road into a large mudhole.  He would have been better off doing nothing.  But instead, he did something; He put the car into gear and pressed down the gas.  He got all the way up to third gear when the tires caught the ground quite suddenly.  Instead of the car rocketing forward, the entire drivetrain instantaneously erupted into a pile of twisted wrecked parts, all the way form the engine to the back axle and everything in between.</p>
<p>There is no proof that doing Something when the future is unknown is any better than doing Nothing.  Indeed, if you do Nothing, you may save yourself a lifetime in wasted energy and in the process find an endeavor elsewhere that actually leads to Something worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: ahniwa</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2008/12/29/librarians-try-to-reinvent-things-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6240</link>
		<dc:creator>ahniwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To which I&#039;ll add, good for Mr. Lankes for doing something. I have my doubts that Reference Extract will work out, but at least he&#039;s DOING something. He&#039;s out there trying it.
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I have NO doubt that he&#039;s adding a lot more to the profession then the whiners and naysayers who seem to have nothing better to do all day then read AL and write excessively long comments.
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What have you done that was of benefit to the library profession, lately?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To which I&#8217;ll add, good for Mr. Lankes for doing something. I have my doubts that Reference Extract will work out, but at least he&#8217;s DOING something. He&#8217;s out there trying it.</p>
<p>I have NO doubt that he&#8217;s adding a lot more to the profession then the whiners and naysayers who seem to have nothing better to do all day then read AL and write excessively long comments.</p>
<p>What have you done that was of benefit to the library profession, lately?</p>
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		<title>By: ahniwa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahniwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you can&#039;t see beyond a few [perceived] failures and look at the future of librarianship with some amount of optimism, recognizing the unique value we add to society, then I only have one thing to say to you:

librarianship? ur doing it wrong
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t see beyond a few [perceived] failures and look at the future of librarianship with some amount of optimism, recognizing the unique value we add to society, then I only have one thing to say to you:</p>
<p>librarianship? ur doing it wrong</p>
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		<title>By: BILL DREW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BILL DREW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 08:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Annoyed Librarian is obsolete and should retire!!  Libraries and librarians MUST reinvent themselves.  This is just about the most negative piece of crap to come out of the Annoyed Librarian yet.  Come out from behind your cloak of anonymity and show us who you really are.  Not being willing to show who you are makes your negative views worthless in my mind.  By the way, I support the work David Lankes is doing.  I know him in the real world and he cares about the future of libraries and librarians and is doing something about it, not just carping and doing nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Annoyed Librarian is obsolete and should retire!!  Libraries and librarians MUST reinvent themselves.  This is just about the most negative piece of crap to come out of the Annoyed Librarian yet.  Come out from behind your cloak of anonymity and show us who you really are.  Not being willing to show who you are makes your negative views worthless in my mind.  By the way, I support the work David Lankes is doing.  I know him in the real world and he cares about the future of libraries and librarians and is doing something about it, not just carping and doing nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Library Cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Library Cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those of you who can&#039;t find it:
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quartz dot syr dot edu slash rdlankes slash blog
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who can&#8217;t find it:</p>
<p>quartz dot syr dot edu slash rdlankes slash blog</p>
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		<title>By: David Lankes</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2008/12/29/librarians-try-to-reinvent-things-again/comment-page-1/#comment-6244</link>
		<dc:creator>David Lankes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rather than post a long response here I&#039;ve put it up on my blog as &quot;Bullet Point: The Annoyed Librarian.&quot; I&#039;m going to go ahead and assume from all the comments you can find it in Google.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than post a long response here I&#8217;ve put it up on my blog as &#8220;Bullet Point: The Annoyed Librarian.&#8221; I&#8217;m going to go ahead and assume from all the comments you can find it in Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our library materials budget is down 40% from 2008.  I&#039;m not even thinking about moving ahead; I&#039;m hoping we don&#039;t fall too far behind.  Those of us who actually work in public libraries, with the public, know what I&#039;m talking about.  Hmmm, guess we should be running ourselves more like a business and them we&#039;d be getting a multibillion dollar bailout.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our library materials budget is down 40% from 2008.  I&#8217;m not even thinking about moving ahead; I&#8217;m hoping we don&#8217;t fall too far behind.  Those of us who actually work in public libraries, with the public, know what I&#8217;m talking about.  Hmmm, guess we should be running ourselves more like a business and them we&#8217;d be getting a multibillion dollar bailout.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our library materials budget is down 40% from 2008.  I&#039;m not even thinking about moving ahead; I&#039;m hoping we don&#039;t fall too far behind.  Those of us who actually work in public libraries, with the public, know what I&#039;m talking about.  Hmmm, guess we should be running ourselves more like a business and them we&#039;d be getting a multibillion dollar bailout.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our library materials budget is down 40% from 2008.  I&#8217;m not even thinking about moving ahead; I&#8217;m hoping we don&#8217;t fall too far behind.  Those of us who actually work in public libraries, with the public, know what I&#8217;m talking about.  Hmmm, guess we should be running ourselves more like a business and them we&#8217;d be getting a multibillion dollar bailout.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I apologize for the missing paragraph breaks in my long block in response to Harleygrl.  Now if this library journal was on the cutting edge of technology, they would have already implemented a new application that would allow me to log on to my account with my locally registered handle, open my post and edit it.  Of course, the application would also code paragraph breaks automatically and offer e a spell checker.  But recall for me what I said about libraries and thus library organizations being on the cutting edge of information technology.  After all, the capabilities I am asking for are not new – interactive software providing all of these features such as the Bulletin Board have been in operation now on the Internet for no less then TEN YEARS now!!!
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The funnier part is how Library Journal, an organization that pulls $149 per member each year or so, has a technology interface that is so soundly trodden by organizations that are free to all.  
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Wasn’t Me, that was my post as well;
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The point here is not that this is the movies and we’re in real life.  The point here is that this is that the media outlets are a direct reflection of the society that produces them.  In this case, see a reflection of modern search behavior Expectations – everything is on Google.
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I also sat through Twilight – and I was equally intrigued with how Belle did her research on the vampire occult.  She uses a combination of Google and Amazon to find a local bookstore.  She did not check her materials out; she bought them.
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These cinematography events are merely drops in the bucket, of course, but in each case we see modern society using anything but the library to do their information research.  The current public mindset appears to be that everything can be found on Google and second, when you need a book, you get it from a Bookstore or from the Amazon Network.  The library and all of it’s information resources seemingly don’t exist.  That is the issue that concerns me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for the missing paragraph breaks in my long block in response to Harleygrl.  Now if this library journal was on the cutting edge of technology, they would have already implemented a new application that would allow me to log on to my account with my locally registered handle, open my post and edit it.  Of course, the application would also code paragraph breaks automatically and offer e a spell checker.  But recall for me what I said about libraries and thus library organizations being on the cutting edge of information technology.  After all, the capabilities I am asking for are not new – interactive software providing all of these features such as the Bulletin Board have been in operation now on the Internet for no less then TEN YEARS now!!!</p>
<p>The funnier part is how Library Journal, an organization that pulls $149 per member each year or so, has a technology interface that is so soundly trodden by organizations that are free to all.  </p>
<p>Wasn’t Me, that was my post as well;</p>
<p>The point here is not that this is the movies and we’re in real life.  The point here is that this is that the media outlets are a direct reflection of the society that produces them.  In this case, see a reflection of modern search behavior Expectations – everything is on Google.</p>
<p>I also sat through Twilight – and I was equally intrigued with how Belle did her research on the vampire occult.  She uses a combination of Google and Amazon to find a local bookstore.  She did not check her materials out; she bought them.</p>
<p>These cinematography events are merely drops in the bucket, of course, but in each case we see modern society using anything but the library to do their information research.  The current public mindset appears to be that everything can be found on Google and second, when you need a book, you get it from a Bookstore or from the Amazon Network.  The library and all of it’s information resources seemingly don’t exist.  That is the issue that concerns me.</p>
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