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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: NoKoolaid</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2009/12/16/lis-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-1512</link>
		<dc:creator>NoKoolaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I moved to the Bay Area to attend SJSU when they were still a hybrid program.  I definitely made more contacts through my face-to-face courses than I did through my online courses.  It certainly wasn’t for lack of trying.  Maybe I’m just more of a physical person.  I interact better from visual cues with my professors and fellow students.  I articulate questions (or a series of them) better in person without the email lag time that is inevitable with busy professors.  I never experienced a discussion board as lively as a class conversation and I am grateful that I was able to squeeze in face-to-face courses before they were eliminated.   I often attended events arranged by local chapters and there were always other students there hungry for in person interaction.  Why would these events be so large if online conversation is so wonderful?  Nothing can replace the visual cues that people give during lectures or conversations.  Online communication is more restrained and thought out in contrast to free movement of speech that happens in person.  This is a fact and anyone with a linguistics background will confirm that.  The people who talk about how wonderful online programs are drinking Haycock’s kool-aid and I don’t blame them.  It is in their best interest to defend the degree.  What really needs to happen is that the MLIS standards need to be more rigorous and ALA needs to enforce those standards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moved to the Bay Area to attend SJSU when they were still a hybrid program.  I definitely made more contacts through my face-to-face courses than I did through my online courses.  It certainly wasn’t for lack of trying.  Maybe I’m just more of a physical person.  I interact better from visual cues with my professors and fellow students.  I articulate questions (or a series of them) better in person without the email lag time that is inevitable with busy professors.  I never experienced a discussion board as lively as a class conversation and I am grateful that I was able to squeeze in face-to-face courses before they were eliminated.   I often attended events arranged by local chapters and there were always other students there hungry for in person interaction.  Why would these events be so large if online conversation is so wonderful?  Nothing can replace the visual cues that people give during lectures or conversations.  Online communication is more restrained and thought out in contrast to free movement of speech that happens in person.  This is a fact and anyone with a linguistics background will confirm that.  The people who talk about how wonderful online programs are drinking Haycock’s kool-aid and I don’t blame them.  It is in their best interest to defend the degree.  What really needs to happen is that the MLIS standards need to be more rigorous and ALA needs to enforce those standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Amalthia</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2009/12/16/lis-competition/comment-page-1/#comment-1513</link>
		<dc:creator>Amalthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@NotMariantheLibrarian 

But with UNT they also offer in person classes, so if the person only says they went to UNT it&#039;s not immediately obvious if a person got an online degree or in person degree. Even if they do live in another state because people move quite often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@NotMariantheLibrarian </p>
<p>But with UNT they also offer in person classes, so if the person only says they went to UNT it&#8217;s not immediately obvious if a person got an online degree or in person degree. Even if they do live in another state because people move quite often.</p>
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		<title>By: NotMariantheLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotMariantheLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uh ... you ask in an interview?  Particularly if they identify the school as UNT or TWU here in Texas?  Plus, most job apps ask how long you&#039;ve been in the area, at the same address etc.  If you&#039;ve got a new degree and there isn&#039;t an LIS in town, it&#039;s probably online.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh &#8230; you ask in an interview?  Particularly if they identify the school as UNT or TWU here in Texas?  Plus, most job apps ask how long you&#8217;ve been in the area, at the same address etc.  If you&#8217;ve got a new degree and there isn&#8217;t an LIS in town, it&#8217;s probably online.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodPublicLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoodPublicLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just curious-How do you know an MLS holder&#039;s degree is online?  There&#039;s no need to write &quot;online&quot;  or &quot;mostly online&quot; next to the credential.  I would assume that most people just keep it under their hat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious-How do you know an MLS holder&#8217;s degree is online?  There&#8217;s no need to write &#8220;online&#8221;  or &#8220;mostly online&#8221; next to the credential.  I would assume that most people just keep it under their hat.</p>
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		<title>By: NotMariantheLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotMariantheLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And UT would be the University of Texas at Austin.  I&#039;ve wondered for 30 years why some people got the degree.  Many of the people in my class thought a library would be a &quot;nice place&quot; to work.  Public libraries aren&#039;t all that nice - I was thrilled to leave one.  I got tired of the homeless, the mentally ill and kids dropped off so we could babysit.

Academic libraries have fewer drawbacks so far as the clientele, particularly if the institution is private.  When visitors become problematic we stop admitting them and get campus police involved.  When students become difficult, we contact the Dean of Students.  When it comes to hiring, we are particular.  Most of the online degree holders never even get a telephone interview.  We are looking for experience.  There are paras here working on online degrees from UNT.  They may have experience but promotions from within don&#039;t really improve a library system.  When we have an opening we&#039;re looking for someone from another library who can bring fresh ideas and a new perspective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And UT would be the University of Texas at Austin.  I&#8217;ve wondered for 30 years why some people got the degree.  Many of the people in my class thought a library would be a &#8220;nice place&#8221; to work.  Public libraries aren&#8217;t all that nice &#8211; I was thrilled to leave one.  I got tired of the homeless, the mentally ill and kids dropped off so we could babysit.</p>
<p>Academic libraries have fewer drawbacks so far as the clientele, particularly if the institution is private.  When visitors become problematic we stop admitting them and get campus police involved.  When students become difficult, we contact the Dean of Students.  When it comes to hiring, we are particular.  Most of the online degree holders never even get a telephone interview.  We are looking for experience.  There are paras here working on online degrees from UNT.  They may have experience but promotions from within don&#8217;t really improve a library system.  When we have an opening we&#8217;re looking for someone from another library who can bring fresh ideas and a new perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: TwoQatz</title>
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		<dc:creator>TwoQatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. I think this blog should be required reading for anyone getting an MLIS or contemplating the degree.  Finding a job is difficult, the profession is held in low regard (i.e.,how nice to sit and read all day; managing street people; etc.) and unless you get a corporate job you&#039;ll probably earn a pittance.  That said, I really enjoy the work and plan to do so for another 15-20 years.    

2. By and large, employers seem to prefer in-residence degrees here in the lower 48.  We don&#039;t tell people why they weren&#039;t hired BTW.  It should be pretty obvious when you don&#039;t get a job - you didn&#039;t have the requisite experience (if you&#039;re fresh out of LIS, don&#039;t bother applying for dept. head positions at large universities - we aren&#039;t going to consider you), they didn&#039;t like you (yep, that happens!), someone knew a librarian at your previous workplace and got the skinny on you, or you simply aren&#039;t a &quot;good fit.&quot;  That last is very important where I work and those that don&#039;t mesh well with the culture either don&#039;t stay long or get forced out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. I think this blog should be required reading for anyone getting an MLIS or contemplating the degree.  Finding a job is difficult, the profession is held in low regard (i.e.,how nice to sit and read all day; managing street people; etc.) and unless you get a corporate job you&#8217;ll probably earn a pittance.  That said, I really enjoy the work and plan to do so for another 15-20 years.    </p>
<p>2. By and large, employers seem to prefer in-residence degrees here in the lower 48.  We don&#8217;t tell people why they weren&#8217;t hired BTW.  It should be pretty obvious when you don&#8217;t get a job &#8211; you didn&#8217;t have the requisite experience (if you&#8217;re fresh out of LIS, don&#8217;t bother applying for dept. head positions at large universities &#8211; we aren&#8217;t going to consider you), they didn&#8217;t like you (yep, that happens!), someone knew a librarian at your previous workplace and got the skinny on you, or you simply aren&#8217;t a &#8220;good fit.&#8221;  That last is very important where I work and those that don&#8217;t mesh well with the culture either don&#8217;t stay long or get forced out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I was just looking back on the posts and caught the complaint about the initials of schools. That&#039;s the problem with reading more infrequently. FSU is Florida State University, which I thought was a fine school, at least it was for me. Listing the full school name is not necessarily relevant to what I had to say, but I understand that posters would like to have the initials spelled out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I was just looking back on the posts and caught the complaint about the initials of schools. That&#8217;s the problem with reading more infrequently. FSU is Florida State University, which I thought was a fine school, at least it was for me. Listing the full school name is not necessarily relevant to what I had to say, but I understand that posters would like to have the initials spelled out.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Torino, I come on this blog every week or so in hope of reaching students, and for the similar reason that Library Guy posted. Reading through all this negative stuff, though I do agree with some of it, makes me realize how fortunate I am.  That said, I want library students to know that the schools are lying about the job market so that these schools can recruit and maintain their cash cows.  

In the back of my mind, however, is the hope that people like you will take the needed measures so as to not become an unemployed new librarian (riddled with debt) statistic. Personally, I think most people here just want to blow off steam, and that AL is a created character that is like what once might have been called Jerry Springer in the library world -- there to provoke controversy. My mom told me about him.  Is he still around?  I don&#039;t know if AL is one academic librarian or a composite of several. 

I much like what I do. It was hard to get that first job, but I&#039;m glad I went to FSU, which I thought was a good school, to go this route.  The majority of the people, who comment on this blog, do not represent the opinions of all librarians out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torino, I come on this blog every week or so in hope of reaching students, and for the similar reason that Library Guy posted. Reading through all this negative stuff, though I do agree with some of it, makes me realize how fortunate I am.  That said, I want library students to know that the schools are lying about the job market so that these schools can recruit and maintain their cash cows.  </p>
<p>In the back of my mind, however, is the hope that people like you will take the needed measures so as to not become an unemployed new librarian (riddled with debt) statistic. Personally, I think most people here just want to blow off steam, and that AL is a created character that is like what once might have been called Jerry Springer in the library world &#8212; there to provoke controversy. My mom told me about him.  Is he still around?  I don&#8217;t know if AL is one academic librarian or a composite of several. </p>
<p>I much like what I do. It was hard to get that first job, but I&#8217;m glad I went to FSU, which I thought was a good school, to go this route.  The majority of the people, who comment on this blog, do not represent the opinions of all librarians out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Amalthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amalthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m guessing after directing people to the bathroom for the thousandth time people just stop feeling like information professionals.  

Most of the complaints I&#039;ve read have a lot to do with working in public libraries and the patrons visiting who talk on their cell phones, let their kids run around disturbing everyone, and homeless people using the sinks to bath themselves. 

I&#039;m not sure if things were different 30 years ago but the public library in many places has come to be the place where parents dump their kids for a few hours of free babysitting and where homeless people hang out during the winter and hot summers. 

Also, the people puking on the floors in the bathroom not helping...It sounds like the libraries need a building manager to take care of issues like this not Librarians. 

Most of what I read is at an Livejournal community for people who work at libraries and librarians. After reading the posts for a month I now know I should probably not work in a public library. 

I have a lot more respect for what Librarians have to deal with though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing after directing people to the bathroom for the thousandth time people just stop feeling like information professionals.  </p>
<p>Most of the complaints I&#8217;ve read have a lot to do with working in public libraries and the patrons visiting who talk on their cell phones, let their kids run around disturbing everyone, and homeless people using the sinks to bath themselves. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if things were different 30 years ago but the public library in many places has come to be the place where parents dump their kids for a few hours of free babysitting and where homeless people hang out during the winter and hot summers. </p>
<p>Also, the people puking on the floors in the bathroom not helping&#8230;It sounds like the libraries need a building manager to take care of issues like this not Librarians. </p>
<p>Most of what I read is at an Livejournal community for people who work at libraries and librarians. After reading the posts for a month I now know I should probably not work in a public library. </p>
<p>I have a lot more respect for what Librarians have to deal with though.</p>
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		<title>By: Library Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Library Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Torino - really, you&#039;re astonished? You must not have ever read this blog; it&#039;s all about self-loathing, complaining, insults, contempt AND disrespect. I read it to cheer myself up, because as bad as my life might be, it isn&#039;t nearly as bad as the ones you find here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torino &#8211; really, you&#8217;re astonished? You must not have ever read this blog; it&#8217;s all about self-loathing, complaining, insults, contempt AND disrespect. I read it to cheer myself up, because as bad as my life might be, it isn&#8217;t nearly as bad as the ones you find here.</p>
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