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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: NotMariantheLibrarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/02/03/bring-on-the-phds/comment-page-1/#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator>NotMariantheLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LIS degrees are a joke - I take exception to your generalization.  The best librarians I&#039;ve worked with have been very very smart.  Some of the worst were dumb as rocks, some had intellect but no &quot;smarts.&quot;  I&#039;ve never met a good librarian who was dumb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIS degrees are a joke &#8211; I take exception to your generalization.  The best librarians I&#8217;ve worked with have been very very smart.  Some of the worst were dumb as rocks, some had intellect but no &#8220;smarts.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve never met a good librarian who was dumb.</p>
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		<title>By: Luxembourg at Neerwinden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luxembourg at Neerwinden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 19:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AL and her LJ employers keep &quot;her&quot; identity secret (and I actually suspect AL is authored by a misogynist guy), but AL has dropped clues along the way that she&#039;s a philosophy ABD who never finished her dissertation.  Is that correct?  If so, I wonder whether there is some bitterness involved.  If this is not the case, well, then OK.  And AL evidently succeeds at getting people to read her blog, whatever her background and qualifications.  So if she wants to bitch about stuff, let her.  I read the blog while taking breaks from working on substantive work, and it&#039;s fine for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL and her LJ employers keep &#8220;her&#8221; identity secret (and I actually suspect AL is authored by a misogynist guy), but AL has dropped clues along the way that she&#8217;s a philosophy ABD who never finished her dissertation.  Is that correct?  If so, I wonder whether there is some bitterness involved.  If this is not the case, well, then OK.  And AL evidently succeeds at getting people to read her blog, whatever her background and qualifications.  So if she wants to bitch about stuff, let her.  I read the blog while taking breaks from working on substantive work, and it&#8217;s fine for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To LIS Degrees are a Joke

You make some fair points.  At the same time, who is more haughty and disrepesctful than someone who brands all librarians as people who have &quot;failed at everything in life?&quot;

Again, unless AL is willing to lump herself into that category of people who have failed at everything in life, she needs to keep in mind that whining endlessly about one&#039;s job does not count as an actual achievement. 

And if you have a PhD in English, congratulations.  You might not have a very marketable resume, but earning a PhD is nonethless a much bigger achievement than creating a blog so you can call people names and bitch about your job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To LIS Degrees are a Joke</p>
<p>You make some fair points.  At the same time, who is more haughty and disrepesctful than someone who brands all librarians as people who have &#8220;failed at everything in life?&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, unless AL is willing to lump herself into that category of people who have failed at everything in life, she needs to keep in mind that whining endlessly about one&#8217;s job does not count as an actual achievement. </p>
<p>And if you have a PhD in English, congratulations.  You might not have a very marketable resume, but earning a PhD is nonethless a much bigger achievement than creating a blog so you can call people names and bitch about your job.</p>
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		<title>By: Techserving You</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/02/03/bring-on-the-phds/comment-page-1/#comment-1177</link>
		<dc:creator>Techserving You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Mannix - $15.50 is a bit different from the $10.95 an hour someone else suggested.  It&#039;s still pitiful, but not $10.95.  If you&#039;re a masters-degreed librarian making $10.95 an hour, it&#039;s entirely your fault and you need to do something about it.  My starting salary was about $25/hour.  This is pretty normal for an academic library in my region of the country.  Like I said, I was making considerably more than $10.95 per hour 10 years ago as a paraprofessional.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Mannix &#8211; $15.50 is a bit different from the $10.95 an hour someone else suggested.  It&#8217;s still pitiful, but not $10.95.  If you&#8217;re a masters-degreed librarian making $10.95 an hour, it&#8217;s entirely your fault and you need to do something about it.  My starting salary was about $25/hour.  This is pretty normal for an academic library in my region of the country.  Like I said, I was making considerably more than $10.95 per hour 10 years ago as a paraprofessional.</p>
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		<title>By: LIS dgerees are a joke</title>
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		<dc:creator>LIS dgerees are a joke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To Dave:

I happen to agree. While it may take some training to be a librarian, it does not take an over amount of intelligence to be one. That is why this field is full of people that are Liberal Arts majors that cannot find real jobs. In fact, a Bachelors in the Liberal Arts is nothing more than a glorified high school diploma. If these haughty people were so brilliant, why are they not engineers or doctors?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dave:</p>
<p>I happen to agree. While it may take some training to be a librarian, it does not take an over amount of intelligence to be one. That is why this field is full of people that are Liberal Arts majors that cannot find real jobs. In fact, a Bachelors in the Liberal Arts is nothing more than a glorified high school diploma. If these haughty people were so brilliant, why are they not engineers or doctors?</p>
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		<title>By: LIS degrees are a joke</title>
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		<dc:creator>LIS degrees are a joke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it doesn&#039;t take a rocket scientist to know this. Everyone (or at least almost everyone) should have known that a Master&#039;s degree in the Humanities is just as worthless as a Bachelor degree in this field of study. The only difference? You spent more money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it doesn&#8217;t take a rocket scientist to know this. Everyone (or at least almost everyone) should have known that a Master&#8217;s degree in the Humanities is just as worthless as a Bachelor degree in this field of study. The only difference? You spent more money.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Failing at everything in life is one of the basic criteria for being a librarian?

Now that you have insulted everyone in the field, perhaps you can enlighten us about what it is that YOU have achieved that separates you from the rest of us who have &quot;failed at everything in life.&quot;

As far as I can tell, your signal achievement is that you are really good at bitching about your job.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failing at everything in life is one of the basic criteria for being a librarian?</p>
<p>Now that you have insulted everyone in the field, perhaps you can enlighten us about what it is that YOU have achieved that separates you from the rest of us who have &#8220;failed at everything in life.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, your signal achievement is that you are really good at bitching about your job.</p>
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		<title>By: The Librarian who read a book -- once</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Librarian who read a book -- once</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sadly, conferences are becoming the place where the elite meet to eat.  They talk elite things, solve elite problems, and probably still drive Ford Elites.

Meanwhile, smaller and small budgeted libraries cannot afford to send anyone to the conferences so their needs and concerns are rarely addressed, and if they are it is with a pat on the head and piece of candy in the hand so they will disappear and won&#039;t bother the grown ups anymore.

Well, kids grow up around small time libraries and that is where they get their basic ideas formed.  If what they see are a couple of terminals hooked up to the internet and a wii there for gaming night, guess what?

By the time they hit college, they won&#039;t need the high and haughty librarians.  They will avoid the ivory towers with a vengeance and find what they need elsewhere.

Luckily for you, you will be sitting on your boat in Florida looking forward to the Blue Plate Dinner special.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, conferences are becoming the place where the elite meet to eat.  They talk elite things, solve elite problems, and probably still drive Ford Elites.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, smaller and small budgeted libraries cannot afford to send anyone to the conferences so their needs and concerns are rarely addressed, and if they are it is with a pat on the head and piece of candy in the hand so they will disappear and won&#8217;t bother the grown ups anymore.</p>
<p>Well, kids grow up around small time libraries and that is where they get their basic ideas formed.  If what they see are a couple of terminals hooked up to the internet and a wii there for gaming night, guess what?</p>
<p>By the time they hit college, they won&#8217;t need the high and haughty librarians.  They will avoid the ivory towers with a vengeance and find what they need elsewhere.</p>
<p>Luckily for you, you will be sitting on your boat in Florida looking forward to the Blue Plate Dinner special.</p>
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		<title>By: TheIlliterateLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheIlliterateLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TwoQatz... I&#039;ve certainly met those folks. All flash and bang, no substance. I think it&#039;s *possible* to have some dazzle and some substance too :) At least, I try to. Lets put it that way :) I really only talk about projects that I&#039;ve had actual success with (instead of the fake success where it looks really good, but the end result has no meaning and is only important to like three people and my boss), so at least I&#039;m presenting about something that has *worked* and may work for others. I guess what I&#039;m advocating is really contributing to the community and profession in a substantial way that benefits the profession. Instead of just bemoaning our fate. It&#039;s true, no one takes us seriously. But I sense it&#039;s because we don&#039;t take ourselves seriously. 

@Rev Ike... I agree... conferences, to a degree, are ra-ra sessions. I really hate going to the &quot;yes we can!&quot; presentations, or theory &quot;this will be so great in the future!&quot; sessions. I want stuff that&#039;s worked, and I want the nuts and bolts of both the circumstance that your solution solved, and how it solved it. I haven&#039;t been a librarian long by most standards, but I&#039;m acutely aware of the PR and BS that goes on at those things. I find I learn more sitting in the lobby talking to people anyway. 

I think I&#039;m not entirely jaded, just jaded enough to realize there&#039;s a place where potential and reality meet and that people go on and on about the potential of projects, but are just doing it because &quot;that would be awesome!&quot; instead of there being a real need to fill. I&#039;m seeking style over substance from both the &quot;for lifers&quot; who&#039;re just marking time until retirement, and the &quot;wouldn&#039;t it be awesome if&quot;-ers who see the library as a playground like some media lab in their university. There *has* to be some place in between, right? Where people actually contribute to the profession in a meaningful way, right??? RIGHT!? *crosses fingers*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TwoQatz&#8230; I&#8217;ve certainly met those folks. All flash and bang, no substance. I think it&#8217;s *possible* to have some dazzle and some substance too :) At least, I try to. Lets put it that way :) I really only talk about projects that I&#8217;ve had actual success with (instead of the fake success where it looks really good, but the end result has no meaning and is only important to like three people and my boss), so at least I&#8217;m presenting about something that has *worked* and may work for others. I guess what I&#8217;m advocating is really contributing to the community and profession in a substantial way that benefits the profession. Instead of just bemoaning our fate. It&#8217;s true, no one takes us seriously. But I sense it&#8217;s because we don&#8217;t take ourselves seriously. </p>
<p>@Rev Ike&#8230; I agree&#8230; conferences, to a degree, are ra-ra sessions. I really hate going to the &#8220;yes we can!&#8221; presentations, or theory &#8220;this will be so great in the future!&#8221; sessions. I want stuff that&#8217;s worked, and I want the nuts and bolts of both the circumstance that your solution solved, and how it solved it. I haven&#8217;t been a librarian long by most standards, but I&#8217;m acutely aware of the PR and BS that goes on at those things. I find I learn more sitting in the lobby talking to people anyway. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m not entirely jaded, just jaded enough to realize there&#8217;s a place where potential and reality meet and that people go on and on about the potential of projects, but are just doing it because &#8220;that would be awesome!&#8221; instead of there being a real need to fill. I&#8217;m seeking style over substance from both the &#8220;for lifers&#8221; who&#8217;re just marking time until retirement, and the &#8220;wouldn&#8217;t it be awesome if&#8221;-ers who see the library as a playground like some media lab in their university. There *has* to be some place in between, right? Where people actually contribute to the profession in a meaningful way, right??? RIGHT!? *crosses fingers*</p>
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		<title>By: Rev  Ike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev  Ike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen TwoQatz.

I look forward to conference time.  Then, the deadwood is out of the library gone off to rub elbows with celebs like AL.

Once they are gone, we can get work done without them coming around with half-baked lame ideas.

Sadly, they return from these conferences full of themselves, full of martinis, full of importance, and full of more even lamer quarter-baked ideas that they don&#039;t understand and think that they can be implemented in a system that they really don&#039;t understand.

Basically, they come back full of shit.

And we are here with lysol and paper ready for them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen TwoQatz.</p>
<p>I look forward to conference time.  Then, the deadwood is out of the library gone off to rub elbows with celebs like AL.</p>
<p>Once they are gone, we can get work done without them coming around with half-baked lame ideas.</p>
<p>Sadly, they return from these conferences full of themselves, full of martinis, full of importance, and full of more even lamer quarter-baked ideas that they don&#8217;t understand and think that they can be implemented in a system that they really don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>Basically, they come back full of shit.</p>
<p>And we are here with lysol and paper ready for them.</p>
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