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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Skipbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skipbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow and I skim that book on my Kindle while I&#039;m playing Mafia wars, texting and watching a netflix movie at the reference desk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow and I skim that book on my Kindle while I&#8217;m playing Mafia wars, texting and watching a netflix movie at the reference desk.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 21:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work as a professional researcher, and frankly, I&#039;ve yet to meet a librarian who knows nearly as much about research and primary sources as I do. And that includes those who work at universities and special collections. They know how to catalogue and how to cross-reference, but that&#039;s about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work as a professional researcher, and frankly, I&#8217;ve yet to meet a librarian who knows nearly as much about research and primary sources as I do. And that includes those who work at universities and special collections. They know how to catalogue and how to cross-reference, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
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		<title>By: overmatik</title>
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		<dc:creator>overmatik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people here have their minds too related to public libraries. I work at an University Library, and most of our users, mainly the ones who use the library the most, understand the role and importance of a Librarian.

Any Academic Reference Librarian knows what I&#039;m talking about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people here have their minds too related to public libraries. I work at an University Library, and most of our users, mainly the ones who use the library the most, understand the role and importance of a Librarian.</p>
<p>Any Academic Reference Librarian knows what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: I Like Books</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Like Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blog tweets:

Professors have noticed the quality of research papers dropping as students get access to the internet.

Some people say they can get everything they need for free on the internet. A few decades ago, these people wouldn&#039;t have been going to the library anyway. If their net feeds dried up for some reason today, they still wouldn&#039;t go. So why are we listening to them now?

The Google Generation is not &quot;able to find information quickly and discern the best nuggets&quot;. They&#039;re able to find information quickly and discern SOME nuggets. But, often enough, a limited set of information is repeated again and again, sometimes in slightly different forms and sometimes verbatim, in web page after web page. So they might be finding the best nuggets available after all.

If web pages provided the same quality of information as books, then they&#039;ll be hundreds of pages long. Books are that long because that&#039;s how long it takes to tell the story. But nobody has the patience to read that much web page. Me included. Somehow I can just have so much more patience with a book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blog tweets:</p>
<p>Professors have noticed the quality of research papers dropping as students get access to the internet.</p>
<p>Some people say they can get everything they need for free on the internet. A few decades ago, these people wouldn&#8217;t have been going to the library anyway. If their net feeds dried up for some reason today, they still wouldn&#8217;t go. So why are we listening to them now?</p>
<p>The Google Generation is not &#8220;able to find information quickly and discern the best nuggets&#8221;. They&#8217;re able to find information quickly and discern SOME nuggets. But, often enough, a limited set of information is repeated again and again, sometimes in slightly different forms and sometimes verbatim, in web page after web page. So they might be finding the best nuggets available after all.</p>
<p>If web pages provided the same quality of information as books, then they&#8217;ll be hundreds of pages long. Books are that long because that&#8217;s how long it takes to tell the story. But nobody has the patience to read that much web page. Me included. Somehow I can just have so much more patience with a book.</p>
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		<title>By: Picard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Picard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t part of the job of the library administration - to sell the voting public on what the library can provide? 

If they allow themselves to be pigeonholed or even actively embrace the notion that the public library is for popular materials only, and that shelf space is valuable, that every item must earn its keep by checking out 1.2 times per year or whatever,  and that the patrons want DVD&#039;s and computers and not books etc - things they don&#039;t value when money is tight - then - yes the library administration bears some responsibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t part of the job of the library administration &#8211; to sell the voting public on what the library can provide? </p>
<p>If they allow themselves to be pigeonholed or even actively embrace the notion that the public library is for popular materials only, and that shelf space is valuable, that every item must earn its keep by checking out 1.2 times per year or whatever,  and that the patrons want DVD&#8217;s and computers and not books etc &#8211; things they don&#8217;t value when money is tight &#8211; then &#8211; yes the library administration bears some responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In all of these rants on public libraries and public librarians, you overlook that fact that public librarians do not make decisions--about the collection, about technology, about programming--in a vacuum. Public libraries answer to their constituents, usually represented by a board of trustees or a town council or some combination of duly elected officials. If the population served asks for more computer stations and more DVDs, and then, when it gets what it asks for, turns around and cuts the library budget or closes the library, where does the ultimate responsibility for the cuts/closure lie?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all of these rants on public libraries and public librarians, you overlook that fact that public librarians do not make decisions&#8211;about the collection, about technology, about programming&#8211;in a vacuum. Public libraries answer to their constituents, usually represented by a board of trustees or a town council or some combination of duly elected officials. If the population served asks for more computer stations and more DVDs, and then, when it gets what it asks for, turns around and cuts the library budget or closes the library, where does the ultimate responsibility for the cuts/closure lie?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool!

;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool!</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Oleg Boyarsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oleg Boyarsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree with Roen janyk. How can we say Librarians are not necessary when many current Librarians do not simply deal with books? Anyway, i enjoyed the post]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Roen janyk. How can we say Librarians are not necessary when many current Librarians do not simply deal with books? Anyway, i enjoyed the post</p>
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		<title>By: Roen Janyk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roen Janyk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 02:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can we say Librarians are not necessary when many current Librarians do not simply deal with books? What about Emerging Technologies Librarians, Web Services Librarians, Systems Librarians, Digital Collections Librarians, and so on? Just as the realm of information has expanded and evolved, so has the profession of librarianship. Yes, Librarians do have their work cut out to make themselves relevant and appear necessary in this day and age. But as information is created at a rapid rate, someone needs to organize it (whether copy cataloguing or tagging), make it accessible (either online or at a library), and forage through the information (at a rapid rate versus poking along as the amateur often does). Many of the Librarians I know (especially the techie ones) spend a lot of their time reading, whether online or books, in order to stay on top of their game and give users the best experience possible. So maybe if most of the population is not &quot;engaging in the deeper, interpretive functions&quot; of their brains, the Librarians are probably doing it when no one is watching, just adding to people&#039;s perceptions that librarians are there to provide a warm and fuzzy, welcoming feeling to using one&#039;s local library.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can we say Librarians are not necessary when many current Librarians do not simply deal with books? What about Emerging Technologies Librarians, Web Services Librarians, Systems Librarians, Digital Collections Librarians, and so on? Just as the realm of information has expanded and evolved, so has the profession of librarianship. Yes, Librarians do have their work cut out to make themselves relevant and appear necessary in this day and age. But as information is created at a rapid rate, someone needs to organize it (whether copy cataloguing or tagging), make it accessible (either online or at a library), and forage through the information (at a rapid rate versus poking along as the amateur often does). Many of the Librarians I know (especially the techie ones) spend a lot of their time reading, whether online or books, in order to stay on top of their game and give users the best experience possible. So maybe if most of the population is not &#8220;engaging in the deeper, interpretive functions&#8221; of their brains, the Librarians are probably doing it when no one is watching, just adding to people&#8217;s perceptions that librarians are there to provide a warm and fuzzy, welcoming feeling to using one&#8217;s local library.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vimes, at this point, the scholars I worked with would prefer if librarians would focus on just providing access - they have no problems finding the resources, and in many cases are already better versed in the available search resources than librarians ever will be.  And that is as they should be - they&#039;re scholars in an information rich age with incredible electronic search access at their fingertips!

They already know about Journal X.  They also know about Journal X&#039;, the translated version of Journal X because Journal X was orignally published in Russian.  What they want is access to the X&quot; derivative of Article 4 from Journal X volume 4, in PDF format with full Optical Character Recognition, with no scanning or copying blemishes, within 1 minute or less from the moment they discovered they want the article.  Mind you, due to the delay in translation, the volume numbers, page numbers and even article order between the two journals differ!

Too often, the results that I got from the library were horrendous.  Number one, the original scans would be blemished to the point that I could not read them - and a ILL request is useless if the information is not legible!  Yes, I realize that it is difficult to scan the areas of the journal next to the binding, but having scanned over four figures worth of articles myself, I can tell you that it is very well possible to do it.  Furthermore, the PDFs that I received had very poor digital editing appled [the margins were black] and the character recognition was often spotty at best - my scholar employer responded by getting our own OCR software and we cleaned the pages up to a presentable level using editing software.  And finally, librarians proved to be utterly useless when it came to navigating Russian Journals and their English Translation counterparts.  You&#039;d think research librarians would be good at connecting these dots together, but time after time after time...epic fail.  End result?  The lab did the article research on our own and just used the library as an ILL delevery service.

Very few librarians have the background to even begin to understand the content of that article...so the librarian will not be much use in the research part of gathering information - they don&#039;t know what information is important and which information is common knowledge within the field.  Where the scholars need librarians to be fluent are in the skills necessary to gain full access to the content.  

The greatest issue is that the scholar might be looking for Journal X and have no idea that it has been translated into Journal X&#039;.  Furthermore, in some cases Journal X gets broken up into 1X&#039;, 2X&#039;, and 3X&#039;, where each section in X is divided into it&#039;s own journal section in English.  And the final nails: the names of these journals change at least once every 10 to 25 years, further complicating the issue!

So inshort, librarians don&#039;t need to understand the content in the article.  They need to understand the bibliographic origins of the article [the original journal title/titles], the derivatives of the article[english, russian, french, greman versions], and they need to simply get that article in the best possible format for scholarly use [In most cases, the english version is most desireable].  And they need to be familiar with the tools and skills necessary to produce professional digital documents.

But this is only in academic libraries - I&#039;m sure it&#039;s different in other places.

- Access, Access, Access!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vimes, at this point, the scholars I worked with would prefer if librarians would focus on just providing access &#8211; they have no problems finding the resources, and in many cases are already better versed in the available search resources than librarians ever will be.  And that is as they should be &#8211; they&#8217;re scholars in an information rich age with incredible electronic search access at their fingertips!</p>
<p>They already know about Journal X.  They also know about Journal X&#8217;, the translated version of Journal X because Journal X was orignally published in Russian.  What they want is access to the X&#8221; derivative of Article 4 from Journal X volume 4, in PDF format with full Optical Character Recognition, with no scanning or copying blemishes, within 1 minute or less from the moment they discovered they want the article.  Mind you, due to the delay in translation, the volume numbers, page numbers and even article order between the two journals differ!</p>
<p>Too often, the results that I got from the library were horrendous.  Number one, the original scans would be blemished to the point that I could not read them &#8211; and a ILL request is useless if the information is not legible!  Yes, I realize that it is difficult to scan the areas of the journal next to the binding, but having scanned over four figures worth of articles myself, I can tell you that it is very well possible to do it.  Furthermore, the PDFs that I received had very poor digital editing appled [the margins were black] and the character recognition was often spotty at best &#8211; my scholar employer responded by getting our own OCR software and we cleaned the pages up to a presentable level using editing software.  And finally, librarians proved to be utterly useless when it came to navigating Russian Journals and their English Translation counterparts.  You&#8217;d think research librarians would be good at connecting these dots together, but time after time after time&#8230;epic fail.  End result?  The lab did the article research on our own and just used the library as an ILL delevery service.</p>
<p>Very few librarians have the background to even begin to understand the content of that article&#8230;so the librarian will not be much use in the research part of gathering information &#8211; they don&#8217;t know what information is important and which information is common knowledge within the field.  Where the scholars need librarians to be fluent are in the skills necessary to gain full access to the content.  </p>
<p>The greatest issue is that the scholar might be looking for Journal X and have no idea that it has been translated into Journal X&#8217;.  Furthermore, in some cases Journal X gets broken up into 1X&#8217;, 2X&#8217;, and 3X&#8217;, where each section in X is divided into it&#8217;s own journal section in English.  And the final nails: the names of these journals change at least once every 10 to 25 years, further complicating the issue!</p>
<p>So inshort, librarians don&#8217;t need to understand the content in the article.  They need to understand the bibliographic origins of the article [the original journal title/titles], the derivatives of the article[english, russian, french, greman versions], and they need to simply get that article in the best possible format for scholarly use [In most cases, the english version is most desireable].  And they need to be familiar with the tools and skills necessary to produce professional digital documents.</p>
<p>But this is only in academic libraries &#8211; I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s different in other places.</p>
<p>- Access, Access, Access!</p>
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