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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Margie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was trying to find a Library Media Specialist&#039;s blog worth following when I came upon your Annoyed Librarian blog.  I should have known by the name you chose that you were going to be one of those negative, self-righteous complainers and this posting confirmed it. 
What kind of ignorant person casts all of the people who watch Fox News in such a wide, ridiculously prejudicial net?  Too many people in the library media field assume all library media specialists are leftist-liberals like them.  
Do you seriously think that Fox news is the only biased news agency out there?  They all are!  Every single one of them has an agenda.  But then I guess as a DEVOUT LIBERAL you&#039;ve been brainwashed to believe that The Washington Post and NPR (perhaps Keith Olbermann?) tell the REAL TRUTH!
Also, when calling people not very bright, it&#039;s best to check your own diatribe for mistakes: &quot;an moronic&quot; being one example.  Finally you should focus your attack on the topic itself rather than tearing apart the person with whom you have a disagreement.
Just a few suggestions from someone who will never read you again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying to find a Library Media Specialist&#8217;s blog worth following when I came upon your Annoyed Librarian blog.  I should have known by the name you chose that you were going to be one of those negative, self-righteous complainers and this posting confirmed it.<br />
What kind of ignorant person casts all of the people who watch Fox News in such a wide, ridiculously prejudicial net?  Too many people in the library media field assume all library media specialists are leftist-liberals like them.<br />
Do you seriously think that Fox news is the only biased news agency out there?  They all are!  Every single one of them has an agenda.  But then I guess as a DEVOUT LIBERAL you&#8217;ve been brainwashed to believe that The Washington Post and NPR (perhaps Keith Olbermann?) tell the REAL TRUTH!<br />
Also, when calling people not very bright, it&#8217;s best to check your own diatribe for mistakes: &#8220;an moronic&#8221; being one example.  Finally you should focus your attack on the topic itself rather than tearing apart the person with whom you have a disagreement.<br />
Just a few suggestions from someone who will never read you again.</p>
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		<title>By: I Like Books</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Like Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few random tweets on this entry (I&#039;m not counting characters because I don&#039;t give a crap):

I think a few things are lost on those watching activity in the stacks. For one, you can get a book and leave, but to use a computer you have to stay there. For another, books take a relatively long time to finish compared with a video or a CD. Especially some of those non-fiction books about current events, which I hope some of those FOX News viewers are reading.

For some time I&#039;ve wondered about the real impact of libraries. Political scientists have known for decades that a relatively small number of people really follow politically charged issues. But then they discuss them with friends and family and coworkers, and so act as a source of information and a lobby. So their influence goes farther than the single vote that they cast. I wonder, analogously, if library users act as a resource, extending the library&#039;s influence beyond just those users that borrow books (and probably overlapping with the political resources).

E-books still cost money, you still can&#039;t buy every book in electronic form, a small fraction of the population has an electronic book reader, and the internet still doesn&#039;t have everything. But I suppose that doesn&#039;t matter if your needs are met by Wikipedia and the New York Times Best Seller List. But as e-books become available, LIBRARIES are beginning to make them available. For instance, the Hennepin County Library (in Minnesota) will have e-books available for devices that are compatible with the relevant digital copyright protection technology, with one purchased title being used by one user at a time, like the physical collection.

The AL isn&#039;t exactly a hippie tree hugger. If the AL is criticizing FOX News, what does that say?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few random tweets on this entry (I&#8217;m not counting characters because I don&#8217;t give a crap):</p>
<p>I think a few things are lost on those watching activity in the stacks. For one, you can get a book and leave, but to use a computer you have to stay there. For another, books take a relatively long time to finish compared with a video or a CD. Especially some of those non-fiction books about current events, which I hope some of those FOX News viewers are reading.</p>
<p>For some time I&#8217;ve wondered about the real impact of libraries. Political scientists have known for decades that a relatively small number of people really follow politically charged issues. But then they discuss them with friends and family and coworkers, and so act as a source of information and a lobby. So their influence goes farther than the single vote that they cast. I wonder, analogously, if library users act as a resource, extending the library&#8217;s influence beyond just those users that borrow books (and probably overlapping with the political resources).</p>
<p>E-books still cost money, you still can&#8217;t buy every book in electronic form, a small fraction of the population has an electronic book reader, and the internet still doesn&#8217;t have everything. But I suppose that doesn&#8217;t matter if your needs are met by Wikipedia and the New York Times Best Seller List. But as e-books become available, LIBRARIES are beginning to make them available. For instance, the Hennepin County Library (in Minnesota) will have e-books available for devices that are compatible with the relevant digital copyright protection technology, with one purchased title being used by one user at a time, like the physical collection.</p>
<p>The AL isn&#8217;t exactly a hippie tree hugger. If the AL is criticizing FOX News, what does that say?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AL, the problem here is that they&#039;re pulling up the same information librarians have been fighting with without Fox news.  You&#039;re doing a pretty good job of dressing the messenger up as a dunce and dismissing the dunce and anything the dunce has to say.

How much evidence does it take to prove a point?  the well educated would say you have to test it again and again and again, with hundreds of thousands of poll results and millions of observations.  Common people would say that it takes only a couple - fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

There seems to be a lot more common people than there are educated people...and they aren&#039;t living any worse...yet they aren&#039;t spending all their time splitting hairs - they moved on a long time ago.

Is it really any surprise that the majority of people going to many libraries today are going for the free internet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL, the problem here is that they&#8217;re pulling up the same information librarians have been fighting with without Fox news.  You&#8217;re doing a pretty good job of dressing the messenger up as a dunce and dismissing the dunce and anything the dunce has to say.</p>
<p>How much evidence does it take to prove a point?  the well educated would say you have to test it again and again and again, with hundreds of thousands of poll results and millions of observations.  Common people would say that it takes only a couple &#8211; fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.</p>
<p>There seems to be a lot more common people than there are educated people&#8230;and they aren&#8217;t living any worse&#8230;yet they aren&#8217;t spending all their time splitting hairs &#8211; they moved on a long time ago.</p>
<p>Is it really any surprise that the majority of people going to many libraries today are going for the free internet?</p>
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		<title>By: Really annoyed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Really annoyed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fox News Chicago may be a local affiliate, but judging by their &quot;news&quot; stories, they get direction from Fox &quot;News.&quot; 

This is the same local station that &quot;exposed&quot; the police for towing the cars of Hispanics!!!! Except that they were actually only towing the cars of people who were not supposed to be behind the wheel (drunk, suspended DL or revoked DL).  The actual figures (reported by Fox &quot;News&quot; as well as others) indicated Hispanics were in no way being targeted by the police.  However, due to the fact that a large number of Hispanics in the Chicago area are driving on suspended or revoked (or no) license, their cars made up 48% of the tows.  

Most thinking folks in the Chicago area know that Fox &quot;News&quot; Chicago is not the best place to get your information.  I was glad to see Mary Dempsey reply to their dumb piece, but judging by the outrage expressed in the comments on the original story, it was probably unnecessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox News Chicago may be a local affiliate, but judging by their &#8220;news&#8221; stories, they get direction from Fox &#8220;News.&#8221; </p>
<p>This is the same local station that &#8220;exposed&#8221; the police for towing the cars of Hispanics!!!! Except that they were actually only towing the cars of people who were not supposed to be behind the wheel (drunk, suspended DL or revoked DL).  The actual figures (reported by Fox &#8220;News&#8221; as well as others) indicated Hispanics were in no way being targeted by the police.  However, due to the fact that a large number of Hispanics in the Chicago area are driving on suspended or revoked (or no) license, their cars made up 48% of the tows.  </p>
<p>Most thinking folks in the Chicago area know that Fox &#8220;News&#8221; Chicago is not the best place to get your information.  I was glad to see Mary Dempsey reply to their dumb piece, but judging by the outrage expressed in the comments on the original story, it was probably unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 17:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Years ago, you knew that if it was in print, it was credible.

That is why we fought the Spanish-American war.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, you knew that if it was in print, it was credible.</p>
<p>That is why we fought the Spanish-American war.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Credible sources go along way, but fewer people are basing arguments on them nowadays with the plethora of half-@$$ed sources available (many of which include flashing lights pictures and videos!)

I think the underlying issue is that people are too willing to accept information at face value instead of considering where that info comes from.  I can say that libraries are on the way out and why I believe that to be so, but just as the OP says, it&#039;s an opinion unsupported by facts b/c I&#039;m no expert and I&#039;ve done no credible research (say.. at a library)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Credible sources go along way, but fewer people are basing arguments on them nowadays with the plethora of half-@$$ed sources available (many of which include flashing lights pictures and videos!)</p>
<p>I think the underlying issue is that people are too willing to accept information at face value instead of considering where that info comes from.  I can say that libraries are on the way out and why I believe that to be so, but just as the OP says, it&#8217;s an opinion unsupported by facts b/c I&#8217;m no expert and I&#8217;ve done no credible research (say.. at a library)</p>
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		<title>By: Real Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I better get the internet then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I better get the internet then.</p>
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		<title>By: Spekkio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spekkio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Real Librarian: Have you watched the extended interviews he&#039;s done? When he really gets into it with someone, they post the whole thing (unedited) on their website. It&#039;s well worth watching - because he does listen and they do have a good back-and-forth. And yes, there are jokes - but I think that A. it&#039;s his nature, B. it&#039;s part of the show, and C. I think it helps keeps things from getting too heated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Real Librarian: Have you watched the extended interviews he&#8217;s done? When he really gets into it with someone, they post the whole thing (unedited) on their website. It&#8217;s well worth watching &#8211; because he does listen and they do have a good back-and-forth. And yes, there are jokes &#8211; but I think that A. it&#8217;s his nature, B. it&#8217;s part of the show, and C. I think it helps keeps things from getting too heated.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Jon Stewart is being a smart-ass, he asks good questions.

He has the makings of a good interviewer, he just has to listen to the answers and not be so busy making jokes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Jon Stewart is being a smart-ass, he asks good questions.</p>
<p>He has the makings of a good interviewer, he just has to listen to the answers and not be so busy making jokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Spekkio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spekkio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It may be worth noting that, after this Chicago story got traction (I found out about it via Boing Boing) people found that a lot of Fox-affiliated local news stations did similar stories around the same time. It seems an odd coincidence....

As for the issues with the news media, it&#039;s been my observation that the problem is a lack of civility, particularly on the American Right (i.e. Fox News). If you&#039;re a liberal or progressive, why would you go on a channel that has a history of abusing your ideological kin? Conservatives rarely show up on MSNBC, either. I admit I may be biased here, but I think it&#039;s because they don&#039;t like answering hard questions, they don&#039;t like being challenged, and they can&#039;t behave themselves. Case in point - on several occasions Rachel Maddow has tried to have conversations with people on the Right, but they start to freak out once Dr. Maddow starts asking hard questions - interrupting her, trying to shout her down, etc. (She doesn&#039;t put up with it, but she doesn&#039;t sink to their level, either.)

The best interviewer out there might be Jon Stewart...he has a real knack for asking hard questions without things getting ugly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be worth noting that, after this Chicago story got traction (I found out about it via Boing Boing) people found that a lot of Fox-affiliated local news stations did similar stories around the same time. It seems an odd coincidence&#8230;.</p>
<p>As for the issues with the news media, it&#8217;s been my observation that the problem is a lack of civility, particularly on the American Right (i.e. Fox News). If you&#8217;re a liberal or progressive, why would you go on a channel that has a history of abusing your ideological kin? Conservatives rarely show up on MSNBC, either. I admit I may be biased here, but I think it&#8217;s because they don&#8217;t like answering hard questions, they don&#8217;t like being challenged, and they can&#8217;t behave themselves. Case in point &#8211; on several occasions Rachel Maddow has tried to have conversations with people on the Right, but they start to freak out once Dr. Maddow starts asking hard questions &#8211; interrupting her, trying to shout her down, etc. (She doesn&#8217;t put up with it, but she doesn&#8217;t sink to their level, either.)</p>
<p>The best interviewer out there might be Jon Stewart&#8230;he has a real knack for asking hard questions without things getting ugly.</p>
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