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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Evil Librarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/07/14/handheld-annoyance/comment-page-1/#comment-10694</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is good to see so many like-minded people. Librarians should refrain from partaking in the mobile industry. We have already seen how librarians have done so poorly with use of the Internet. Let us not poke our noses in places where we do not belong. We should stay in the stacks with the books and forget about learning from other areas and networking. Little good can come of it. If you didn&#039;t learn it in library school, why would you need to know it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good to see so many like-minded people. Librarians should refrain from partaking in the mobile industry. We have already seen how librarians have done so poorly with use of the Internet. Let us not poke our noses in places where we do not belong. We should stay in the stacks with the books and forget about learning from other areas and networking. Little good can come of it. If you didn&#8217;t learn it in library school, why would you need to know it?</p>
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		<title>By: FearOfSubstance</title>
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		<dc:creator>FearOfSubstance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 23:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I am all for libraries taking advantage of increased mobile device capabilities, there&#039;s a shocking lack of substance in these conference sessions. A class on basic programming for popular mobile platforms would be far more beneficial, but that sounds like actual work rather than &quot;audience-driven&quot; keynotes that &quot;push the boundaries.&quot; Lots of talk, not enough action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am all for libraries taking advantage of increased mobile device capabilities, there&#8217;s a shocking lack of substance in these conference sessions. A class on basic programming for popular mobile platforms would be far more beneficial, but that sounds like actual work rather than &#8220;audience-driven&#8221; keynotes that &#8220;push the boundaries.&#8221; Lots of talk, not enough action.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/07/14/handheld-annoyance/comment-page-1/#comment-10549</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, there is a lot of cynicism on this website. I am somewhat amazed that AbFab&#039;s comment did not get much of a response.  There are places in the world where the web, let alone web 2.0 applications, is pretty brand new for libraries.  Sure it&#039;s nice to think that there are some cutting edge technologies out there that libraries could be exploiting, but there&#039;s a wider world.  The techie librarians using other people&#039;s applications to do their work might be doing something important for users.  It&#039;s not all about innovation.

The true irony of a conference on librarianship through mobile devices is that people even show up.  If the technology is really that good, why not have a conference over everyone&#039;s phones?

The value of a conference is not necessarily the content of the presentations, anyways.  It&#039;s a chance to network face to face with other people in the profession.  This article provides some interesting ideas about conferences: http://www.destrickerblog.com/de_stricker/2010/05/investing-in-our-careers-conferences-are-not-a-luxury.html

As established librarians, it may be easy for you to gripe about the graduates that our library schools are producing, but in an uncertain economy, new graduates are also having to explore options beyond traditional librarianship.  There is a demand on library schools to produce graduates to fill these non-traditional roles.  You can&#039;t please everyone, and if your library is seriously considering helping new librarians to learn the profession more thoroughly, consider offering internships to library students, or advertising for volunteers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, there is a lot of cynicism on this website. I am somewhat amazed that AbFab&#8217;s comment did not get much of a response.  There are places in the world where the web, let alone web 2.0 applications, is pretty brand new for libraries.  Sure it&#8217;s nice to think that there are some cutting edge technologies out there that libraries could be exploiting, but there&#8217;s a wider world.  The techie librarians using other people&#8217;s applications to do their work might be doing something important for users.  It&#8217;s not all about innovation.</p>
<p>The true irony of a conference on librarianship through mobile devices is that people even show up.  If the technology is really that good, why not have a conference over everyone&#8217;s phones?</p>
<p>The value of a conference is not necessarily the content of the presentations, anyways.  It&#8217;s a chance to network face to face with other people in the profession.  This article provides some interesting ideas about conferences: <a href="http://www.destrickerblog.com/de_stricker/2010/05/investing-in-our-careers-conferences-are-not-a-luxury.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.destrickerblog.com/de_stricker/2010/05/investing-in-our-careers-conferences-are-not-a-luxury.html</a></p>
<p>As established librarians, it may be easy for you to gripe about the graduates that our library schools are producing, but in an uncertain economy, new graduates are also having to explore options beyond traditional librarianship.  There is a demand on library schools to produce graduates to fill these non-traditional roles.  You can&#8217;t please everyone, and if your library is seriously considering helping new librarians to learn the profession more thoroughly, consider offering internships to library students, or advertising for volunteers.</p>
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		<title>By: Techserving You</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/07/14/handheld-annoyance/comment-page-1/#comment-10527</link>
		<dc:creator>Techserving You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha ha ha, Sandra, you summed things up perfectly when you said that as long as someone presenting at a library conference doesn&#039;t look like a stereotypical librarian, everyone just thinks oh how nice, at least that person isn&#039;t making us look dowdy.  The bar is set SO LOW for so many things in this field.

I learned long ago (starting in my first library job) that most librarians CANNOT take any kind of constructive criticism, in any context.  I had but one job where the meetings were spirited and people would at least point out the ramifications of someone else&#039;s poorly-thought-out plan, and that sort of criticism was usually accepted fairly well. Unfortunately, the &quot;spirited&quot; discussion usually revolved around mind-numbingly boring cataloging minutae.  But, in NOT ONE of my other (several) library jobs has any kind of real discussion been acceptable.  As at conferences, in most staff meetings I have attended, some dimwit (and, I am sorry to say that most of my coworkers have been dimwits) can come present some idiotic plan, and you CANNOT question it.  Even if you matter-of-factly point out errors or lack of understanding of the greater context, or just question the need for something, you&#039;re &quot;mean.&quot;  I&#039;m not kidding.  Everything must be accepted at face value, and every plan implemented even if there are obvious problems from the very start.  This mentality extends to other forms of communication, too.  I actually had a coworker almost in tears, and suddenly copying the boss on our e-mail exchange because I told her (quite nicely) that in the future she could feel free to just contact me directly (with an issue that is my job - and my job alone - to make decisions about but I didn&#039;t say that) rather than going through a chain of two other people to pass the word to me and pass my word back to her.  (I was copied on the chain of e-mails, and she didn&#039;t go this inefficient route because of any official hierarchy by which she had to abide, but rather because &quot;this is the way it&#039;s been done for 30 years,&quot; before my position existed, and she can&#039;t wrap her brain around the &quot;new&quot; way of doing things.)  When I went to talk to her in person (after suddenly noticing the boss copied on the e-mail) she told me, red, and shaking, that NO ONE had EVER been so rude to her before.  

But I digress from the thrust of these comments, and even more so from the AL&#039;s original post.  In any case, until librarians can handle any normal kind of disagreement, they are never going to openly debate the validity of research.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha ha, Sandra, you summed things up perfectly when you said that as long as someone presenting at a library conference doesn&#8217;t look like a stereotypical librarian, everyone just thinks oh how nice, at least that person isn&#8217;t making us look dowdy.  The bar is set SO LOW for so many things in this field.</p>
<p>I learned long ago (starting in my first library job) that most librarians CANNOT take any kind of constructive criticism, in any context.  I had but one job where the meetings were spirited and people would at least point out the ramifications of someone else&#8217;s poorly-thought-out plan, and that sort of criticism was usually accepted fairly well. Unfortunately, the &#8220;spirited&#8221; discussion usually revolved around mind-numbingly boring cataloging minutae.  But, in NOT ONE of my other (several) library jobs has any kind of real discussion been acceptable.  As at conferences, in most staff meetings I have attended, some dimwit (and, I am sorry to say that most of my coworkers have been dimwits) can come present some idiotic plan, and you CANNOT question it.  Even if you matter-of-factly point out errors or lack of understanding of the greater context, or just question the need for something, you&#8217;re &#8220;mean.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not kidding.  Everything must be accepted at face value, and every plan implemented even if there are obvious problems from the very start.  This mentality extends to other forms of communication, too.  I actually had a coworker almost in tears, and suddenly copying the boss on our e-mail exchange because I told her (quite nicely) that in the future she could feel free to just contact me directly (with an issue that is my job &#8211; and my job alone &#8211; to make decisions about but I didn&#8217;t say that) rather than going through a chain of two other people to pass the word to me and pass my word back to her.  (I was copied on the chain of e-mails, and she didn&#8217;t go this inefficient route because of any official hierarchy by which she had to abide, but rather because &#8220;this is the way it&#8217;s been done for 30 years,&#8221; before my position existed, and she can&#8217;t wrap her brain around the &#8220;new&#8221; way of doing things.)  When I went to talk to her in person (after suddenly noticing the boss copied on the e-mail) she told me, red, and shaking, that NO ONE had EVER been so rude to her before.  </p>
<p>But I digress from the thrust of these comments, and even more so from the AL&#8217;s original post.  In any case, until librarians can handle any normal kind of disagreement, they are never going to openly debate the validity of research.</p>
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		<title>By: I Like Books</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/07/14/handheld-annoyance/comment-page-1/#comment-10517</link>
		<dc:creator>I Like Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 17:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sandra, that&#039;s interesting. I haven&#039;t seen that side of the library world, but I&#039;ve seen the physical sciences. I wouldn&#039;t say they&#039;re brutal to each other, exactly. The folks I&#039;ve associated with have been quite friendly. (I&#039;ve heard of exceptions, but haven&#039;t witnessed them.) But they&#039;re rigorous, and they&#039;ll call you out on how you&#039;ve analyzed something or about control measurements you&#039;ve taken or whatever.

I think I&#039;d be annoying at a library conference. I&#039;m not sure I could, say, let sloppy statistics, or no statistics, go without a comment. I hope you&#039;ll voice up. Rigor has to start somewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandra, that&#8217;s interesting. I haven&#8217;t seen that side of the library world, but I&#8217;ve seen the physical sciences. I wouldn&#8217;t say they&#8217;re brutal to each other, exactly. The folks I&#8217;ve associated with have been quite friendly. (I&#8217;ve heard of exceptions, but haven&#8217;t witnessed them.) But they&#8217;re rigorous, and they&#8217;ll call you out on how you&#8217;ve analyzed something or about control measurements you&#8217;ve taken or whatever.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;d be annoying at a library conference. I&#8217;m not sure I could, say, let sloppy statistics, or no statistics, go without a comment. I hope you&#8217;ll voice up. Rigor has to start somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Skipping conferences</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/07/14/handheld-annoyance/comment-page-1/#comment-10497</link>
		<dc:creator>Skipping conferences</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sandra, most other academics believe the Truth is out there to seek and defend. Library science is overwhelmed by social constructionists (some who know the term and others not) who are certain that there is no reality; we create our truths. Thus, &quot;civilization would fall apart without public libraries&quot; and people with smartphones can redefine anything to mean anything else. I&#039;m OK; you&#039;re OK...pass the weed. Or in the case of SRRT, scream into the interwebs because nobody else will ever listen to you. The socially powerless and awkward unite, and everytime one of us speaks, it just confirms to the rest of the world what dweebs we are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandra, most other academics believe the Truth is out there to seek and defend. Library science is overwhelmed by social constructionists (some who know the term and others not) who are certain that there is no reality; we create our truths. Thus, &#8220;civilization would fall apart without public libraries&#8221; and people with smartphones can redefine anything to mean anything else. I&#8217;m OK; you&#8217;re OK&#8230;pass the weed. Or in the case of SRRT, scream into the interwebs because nobody else will ever listen to you. The socially powerless and awkward unite, and everytime one of us speaks, it just confirms to the rest of the world what dweebs we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/07/14/handheld-annoyance/comment-page-1/#comment-10493</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is something that&#039;s been bothering me about library science for a while. I&#039;ve been to conferences in other academic fields and I can&#039;t believe how brutal people are to each other when they give papers. They really take research seriously. If you&#039;re an academic, you have to be prepared to 1) have something to actually say and 2) coherently defend whatever it is you&#039;re saying. With library conferences, you can say any stupid thing or do show and tell, and as long as you don&#039;t look like a stereotypical librarian, everyone just thinks, oh how nice, at least that person isn&#039;t making us look dowdy. That&#039;s all you have to do. Librarians will walk out before a paper is over if they&#039;re bored, but you&#039;ll never see people actually debating someone&#039;s research. And that peer reaction/interaction is actually a very important part of academia. Is it because we&#039;re too nice, or because we don&#039;t even care?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something that&#8217;s been bothering me about library science for a while. I&#8217;ve been to conferences in other academic fields and I can&#8217;t believe how brutal people are to each other when they give papers. They really take research seriously. If you&#8217;re an academic, you have to be prepared to 1) have something to actually say and 2) coherently defend whatever it is you&#8217;re saying. With library conferences, you can say any stupid thing or do show and tell, and as long as you don&#8217;t look like a stereotypical librarian, everyone just thinks, oh how nice, at least that person isn&#8217;t making us look dowdy. That&#8217;s all you have to do. Librarians will walk out before a paper is over if they&#8217;re bored, but you&#8217;ll never see people actually debating someone&#8217;s research. And that peer reaction/interaction is actually a very important part of academia. Is it because we&#8217;re too nice, or because we don&#8217;t even care?</p>
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		<title>By: I Like Books</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/07/14/handheld-annoyance/comment-page-1/#comment-10486</link>
		<dc:creator>I Like Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know someone who is enthralled with the whole hand-held, always connected, can look stuff up any time thing. And let me tell you it&#039;s a real wet towel when the conversation stops while he&#039;s looking something up, and then starts extensively quoting blog opinions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know someone who is enthralled with the whole hand-held, always connected, can look stuff up any time thing. And let me tell you it&#8217;s a real wet towel when the conversation stops while he&#8217;s looking something up, and then starts extensively quoting blog opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Joodles</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/07/14/handheld-annoyance/comment-page-1/#comment-10482</link>
		<dc:creator>Joodles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t tell you how it soothes me to hear these voices of reason and agreement.  I had curiously joined-in on one of these virtual-conference-the-future-is-mobile Brought To You By the Vendors Vending It to see if I could discern what in the world all the fuss was about.  Upon side-mailing one of the 14 panelists with a &quot;Gosh, that speaker really jumped the shark with that comment&quot; and getting a tepid response I was beginning to think I was the moron.  Thank you all so much for validating that indeed, The Emperor is wearing, at best, a be-dazzled denim vest - and calling it cutting-edge couture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how it soothes me to hear these voices of reason and agreement.  I had curiously joined-in on one of these virtual-conference-the-future-is-mobile Brought To You By the Vendors Vending It to see if I could discern what in the world all the fuss was about.  Upon side-mailing one of the 14 panelists with a &#8220;Gosh, that speaker really jumped the shark with that comment&#8221; and getting a tepid response I was beginning to think I was the moron.  Thank you all so much for validating that indeed, The Emperor is wearing, at best, a be-dazzled denim vest &#8211; and calling it cutting-edge couture.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Kat</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/07/14/handheld-annoyance/comment-page-1/#comment-10477</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 03:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You talked around it and around it and around it but never hit it - and it&#039;s a perfect description of this new revolution.  It&#039;s called &quot;Handheld Arrogance&quot; and it&#039;s what hte handheld people get as soon as they discover htey can be on the internet at any time they wish and they rest of the world cannot.  In short, they can find anything, including be the reference librarian to all those around them [well, they do what reference librarins would do] but then they would be so quick to look at reference librarians as being an a class far below themselves!

I notice a real change in people once they get their first blackberry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You talked around it and around it and around it but never hit it &#8211; and it&#8217;s a perfect description of this new revolution.  It&#8217;s called &#8220;Handheld Arrogance&#8221; and it&#8217;s what hte handheld people get as soon as they discover htey can be on the internet at any time they wish and they rest of the world cannot.  In short, they can find anything, including be the reference librarian to all those around them [well, they do what reference librarins would do] but then they would be so quick to look at reference librarians as being an a class far below themselves!</p>
<p>I notice a real change in people once they get their first blackberry.</p>
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