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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Explibrarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/08/16/competitive-and-commensurate-with-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-12092</link>
		<dc:creator>Explibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poorlibrarian is so right.  Over the past decade a local institution pays so poorly for such inflated qualifications that they seem to hire nothing buy academic librarians who didn&#039;t get tenure for their one-librarian position.  They know nothing about all the nittygritty of the job so the rest of us librarians in the area have to mentor them.  After 3--THREE--of these I got tired of it and decided to be less helpful and let someone else teach this person how to do the work.  If they&#039;d pay a decent salary and not get impressed so easily with academic librarians with no idea how to run a one-librarian library, they&#039;d easily attract someone who knew the job.  Instead they get someone both uninterested in this type of job and unqualified to do it.  I expect they&#039;ll just get rid of the library next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poorlibrarian is so right.  Over the past decade a local institution pays so poorly for such inflated qualifications that they seem to hire nothing buy academic librarians who didn&#8217;t get tenure for their one-librarian position.  They know nothing about all the nittygritty of the job so the rest of us librarians in the area have to mentor them.  After 3&#8211;THREE&#8211;of these I got tired of it and decided to be less helpful and let someone else teach this person how to do the work.  If they&#8217;d pay a decent salary and not get impressed so easily with academic librarians with no idea how to run a one-librarian library, they&#8217;d easily attract someone who knew the job.  Instead they get someone both uninterested in this type of job and unqualified to do it.  I expect they&#8217;ll just get rid of the library next.</p>
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		<title>By: needs a 'nym</title>
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		<dc:creator>needs a 'nym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bruce, I have noticed that. I&#039;ve also noticed that several of the slouches are genuinely convinced that they&#039;re overworked. I&#039;m not sure how that happens, although those do happen to be the people who&#039;ve never had non-library jobs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, I have noticed that. I&#8217;ve also noticed that several of the slouches are genuinely convinced that they&#8217;re overworked. I&#8217;m not sure how that happens, although those do happen to be the people who&#8217;ve never had non-library jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 14:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen, Bruce.

I do my job here plus part of the director (due to incompetence), the reference librarian (due to laziness), the other tech services librarina (due to her doing her other job here on our clock) plus other things that should be done and wouldn&#039;t if I didn&#039;t do them.

This is driven by my upbringing and background to find something productive to do at all times.

But, this is a government run union shop, so I don&#039;t get any more pay than anyone else.  There is no merit pay.  There are no bonuses.

Getting out is a definite option as soon as something comes along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Bruce.</p>
<p>I do my job here plus part of the director (due to incompetence), the reference librarian (due to laziness), the other tech services librarina (due to her doing her other job here on our clock) plus other things that should be done and wouldn&#8217;t if I didn&#8217;t do them.</p>
<p>This is driven by my upbringing and background to find something productive to do at all times.</p>
<p>But, this is a government run union shop, so I don&#8217;t get any more pay than anyone else.  There is no merit pay.  There are no bonuses.</p>
<p>Getting out is a definite option as soon as something comes along.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 13:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is anyone else noticing that they are surrounded by slouches at their library job? Do you feel like you don&#039;t fit in to the mediocre &quot;phone-it-in&quot; work ethic of librarians? It is time to jump ship. 

Raimi isn&#039;t responding to my texts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone else noticing that they are surrounded by slouches at their library job? Do you feel like you don&#8217;t fit in to the mediocre &#8220;phone-it-in&#8221; work ethic of librarians? It is time to jump ship. </p>
<p>Raimi isn&#8217;t responding to my texts.</p>
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		<title>By: another f-ing librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>another f-ing librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[of course salaries are a problem. and AL&#039;s dead on. the answer isn&#039;t to just give everyone a raise, unfortunately. what more money does, is deepen what is right now a fairly wide and shallow applicant pool.

and: what doug henderson says. most people are pretty trapped. and it&#039;s not just because of the inability to sell one&#039;s house and relocate. there are so few acceptable job openings, that we&#039;re gridlocked. good, experienced people who would like a change are not leaving jobs they&#039;d like to leave. 

heck. we might all feel a little breath of fresh air in our lives if we&#039;d all just get up and move to the first library to our right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course salaries are a problem. and AL&#8217;s dead on. the answer isn&#8217;t to just give everyone a raise, unfortunately. what more money does, is deepen what is right now a fairly wide and shallow applicant pool.</p>
<p>and: what doug henderson says. most people are pretty trapped. and it&#8217;s not just because of the inability to sell one&#8217;s house and relocate. there are so few acceptable job openings, that we&#8217;re gridlocked. good, experienced people who would like a change are not leaving jobs they&#8217;d like to leave. </p>
<p>heck. we might all feel a little breath of fresh air in our lives if we&#8217;d all just get up and move to the first library to our right.</p>
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		<title>By: Real Librarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/08/16/competitive-and-commensurate-with-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-11699</link>
		<dc:creator>Real Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Competitive and commensurate with experience are human resource terms used to see if you are truly qualified.

If, during an interview, you give a figure too high or too low, they know you are not the person for the job because you don&#039;t know what the real going rate is.

It is a sham.

They know how much money they have for the position, just put it in the ad and base your hiring on the candidates understanding of MARC, LOC, DDC, or DDR.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Competitive and commensurate with experience are human resource terms used to see if you are truly qualified.</p>
<p>If, during an interview, you give a figure too high or too low, they know you are not the person for the job because you don&#8217;t know what the real going rate is.</p>
<p>It is a sham.</p>
<p>They know how much money they have for the position, just put it in the ad and base your hiring on the candidates understanding of MARC, LOC, DDC, or DDR.</p>
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		<title>By: poorlibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>poorlibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Aug 2010 02:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boy howdy, you hit this right on.  I can&#039;t tell you the number of library jobs I&#039;ve been offered where they wanted my experience for their starting salary.  One I stopped mid-interview when they announced that they &quot;don&#039;t pay more than starting salary to any new hires.&quot;  Not only could I not work for that, I wasn&#039;t inclined to work there, since apparently my experience was worth nothing to them.  &quot;You were our best candidate,&quot; the HR person said.  Well of course!  But apparently you don&#039;t want to pay for &quot;best,&quot; you want to pay for &quot;supported by someone else&quot;!

I think this is saddest when the library is replacing someone who is retiring after many years.  Clearly that person was making more money than a starting librarian.  It is not going to sink your budget to pay me less than they were making, even if it is not as little as if you hired someone with no experience.  Arguing budget difficulties holds no water in this situation.  Likewise when you want someone to do something new and different and energetic.  Good people cost money.  And the salary differences are so tiny to lose the candidate you want - $3000, $5000, when your budget is $5,000,000.  Add the amount of time-in-money the training person spends on your new, bottom-of-the-scale librarian and see how that makes your savings look.

And we wonder why libraries often end up stagnant, with the worst people around for years.  The less-competent know better than to look for another job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy howdy, you hit this right on.  I can&#8217;t tell you the number of library jobs I&#8217;ve been offered where they wanted my experience for their starting salary.  One I stopped mid-interview when they announced that they &#8220;don&#8217;t pay more than starting salary to any new hires.&#8221;  Not only could I not work for that, I wasn&#8217;t inclined to work there, since apparently my experience was worth nothing to them.  &#8220;You were our best candidate,&#8221; the HR person said.  Well of course!  But apparently you don&#8217;t want to pay for &#8220;best,&#8221; you want to pay for &#8220;supported by someone else&#8221;!</p>
<p>I think this is saddest when the library is replacing someone who is retiring after many years.  Clearly that person was making more money than a starting librarian.  It is not going to sink your budget to pay me less than they were making, even if it is not as little as if you hired someone with no experience.  Arguing budget difficulties holds no water in this situation.  Likewise when you want someone to do something new and different and energetic.  Good people cost money.  And the salary differences are so tiny to lose the candidate you want &#8211; $3000, $5000, when your budget is $5,000,000.  Add the amount of time-in-money the training person spends on your new, bottom-of-the-scale librarian and see how that makes your savings look.</p>
<p>And we wonder why libraries often end up stagnant, with the worst people around for years.  The less-competent know better than to look for another job.</p>
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		<title>By: I Like Books</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Like Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spekkio,

If you&#039;d rather say &quot;most satisfactory&quot;, that would rather imply that of several attractive options, you like one of them the most. I don&#039;t think that accurately communicates the opinion.
 
&quot;Least unsatisfactory&quot; is a way of saying &quot;the lesser evil&quot;, or &quot;the one I hate least&quot;. That is, you don&#039;t like any of the options, they&#039;re all unsatisfactory. But some are more unsatisfactory than others, and some are less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spekkio,</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d rather say &#8220;most satisfactory&#8221;, that would rather imply that of several attractive options, you like one of them the most. I don&#8217;t think that accurately communicates the opinion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Least unsatisfactory&#8221; is a way of saying &#8220;the lesser evil&#8221;, or &#8220;the one I hate least&#8221;. That is, you don&#8217;t like any of the options, they&#8217;re all unsatisfactory. But some are more unsatisfactory than others, and some are less.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Pepper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s my advice - quit the MLIS now while you have a chance.  The fact that they admitted 200 students is a sign that you will have a ton of competition in the job market if you want to get into a library job (and the market is hard enough).  If you really want to stay, focus on management, IT and some niche field like archives, this way you can get a job outside the library field when you graduate]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my advice &#8211; quit the MLIS now while you have a chance.  The fact that they admitted 200 students is a sign that you will have a ton of competition in the job market if you want to get into a library job (and the market is hard enough).  If you really want to stay, focus on management, IT and some niche field like archives, this way you can get a job outside the library field when you graduate</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 14:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am just starting my MLIS in Ontario. Many of my friends are starting their Masters (Economics, Public History, etc) and their classes are very small and focused. I could not find very many statistics or answers to my questions online so I e-mailed my school contact and found they admitted 200 MLIS students for this year. So many that they had to split us into 3 course groups. Compared to other programs, I was so surprised and confused. On top of that, we choose our electives second semester to start toward a concentration if we choose...so now the question is WHERE ARE THE JOBS? Are they medical? are they IT? are the Public? Childrens Services? I need some direction. After not getting a job after college, and then again after University....I just need a job so I can start my life already. 

Thanks in advance for all your help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just starting my MLIS in Ontario. Many of my friends are starting their Masters (Economics, Public History, etc) and their classes are very small and focused. I could not find very many statistics or answers to my questions online so I e-mailed my school contact and found they admitted 200 MLIS students for this year. So many that they had to split us into 3 course groups. Compared to other programs, I was so surprised and confused. On top of that, we choose our electives second semester to start toward a concentration if we choose&#8230;so now the question is WHERE ARE THE JOBS? Are they medical? are they IT? are the Public? Childrens Services? I need some direction. After not getting a job after college, and then again after University&#8230;.I just need a job so I can start my life already. </p>
<p>Thanks in advance for all your help.</p>
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