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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: margaret simon</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/09/07/what-about-those-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-16068</link>
		<dc:creator>margaret simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 15:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;First of all, I would never attempt to explain the happenings at universities I’ve never heard of . . . And I’ve never heard of Elon University.&quot;

Such a sad comment. Please don&#039;t slam an institution, which you proudly proclaim you know nothing about, just because you don&#039;t like a program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First of all, I would never attempt to explain the happenings at universities I’ve never heard of . . . And I’ve never heard of Elon University.&#8221;</p>
<p>Such a sad comment. Please don&#8217;t slam an institution, which you proudly proclaim you know nothing about, just because you don&#8217;t like a program.</p>
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		<title>By: Techserving You</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/09/07/what-about-those-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-13774</link>
		<dc:creator>Techserving You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 17:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...what?  Starfleet Academy is not real?  Since I&#039;m in New England, I seriously thought it was just another lower-tier private school with a weird name.  I guess I&#039;m not the Star Trek fan I thought I was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;what?  Starfleet Academy is not real?  Since I&#8217;m in New England, I seriously thought it was just another lower-tier private school with a weird name.  I guess I&#8217;m not the Star Trek fan I thought I was.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Kat</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/09/07/what-about-those-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-12994</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elenor Cook, yes, the public librarians can do research too - but it&#039;s kind of like watching the kiddies &quot;play house&quot; or &quot;play doctor&quot; or &quot;play work.&quot;  It&#039;s cute at first, amusing for a while and eventually just plain annoying.  Luckily for public librarins, most of their patrons are &quot;playing life&quot; anyways, so it&#039;s a perfect fit.

In a professional realm, however, those results are similar to how a PhD Earth Scientist would react if you have him the Fifth grade level curriculum results on the structure of the earth.  Yes, it is similar to the diagram he has on his office wall, but his diagram contains a PhD level of knowledge about the interior of the earth and it&#039;s at the current theorectical level of understanding, not the level of understanding that is sooooo very ten or twenty years ago.

Academic librarians are the &quot;professional&quot; researchers in the profession - and even then, due to the brevity of the research being conducted on many campuses, the general librarians are about as good as public librarians.  If your are at a rich university, you might have a librarian assigned to you [oh we researchers wish!!] who is current ont he knowledge int eh field and automatically reads everythign on the subject as it comes in off the wire - and only forwards the good stuff.  What&#039;s good?  Well, that tells you how well proficient a research librarian must be in the field in order to gain the trust and respect of the respective research fields.

In most cases though, the research technicians/specialists in some labs and those sstudents who are acutally working hard [they&#039;re typically fellows, cum laude, honors students, never had an A- in their life sort of people] might as well be called research librarians, as many of them have a better working knowledge of the resources in their subject at the library than the very academic librarians themselves have.  Been there, done that.  It&#039;s not a bad thing though, for on a truly competant campus where the subjects have real reputable academic acclaim, there really is no need for research lirbarians in the first place.  Part of being a researcher is having a solid foundation in research principles in the first place.  
Otherwise, librarians are there to keep materials on the shelf [library technician jobs] and keep the building doors manned and open - and solicit money and research grants for library science, of course!!!  It&#039;s good for academic libraries to have a couple staff on had to police policies, give directions on how to use the copy machines, fix the computers, put paper in the printers, and give the &quot;once upon a freshman&quot; class on reseach methods.  

But even that last part is unnecessary as well - every Freshamn class I took had a &quot;research methods&quot; component within it, usually delivered within the first couple weeks, where we all went to the library and conducted research for a project.  And it was very typical that the person teaching us how to use the library was not the librarians, but rather the professor of the class and the grad assistants.  It&#039;s surprising how easy it is to gain a relative level of competancy in library science...aha.aha.aha...

As my old boss said, Leave the library OUT of it!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elenor Cook, yes, the public librarians can do research too &#8211; but it&#8217;s kind of like watching the kiddies &#8220;play house&#8221; or &#8220;play doctor&#8221; or &#8220;play work.&#8221;  It&#8217;s cute at first, amusing for a while and eventually just plain annoying.  Luckily for public librarins, most of their patrons are &#8220;playing life&#8221; anyways, so it&#8217;s a perfect fit.</p>
<p>In a professional realm, however, those results are similar to how a PhD Earth Scientist would react if you have him the Fifth grade level curriculum results on the structure of the earth.  Yes, it is similar to the diagram he has on his office wall, but his diagram contains a PhD level of knowledge about the interior of the earth and it&#8217;s at the current theorectical level of understanding, not the level of understanding that is sooooo very ten or twenty years ago.</p>
<p>Academic librarians are the &#8220;professional&#8221; researchers in the profession &#8211; and even then, due to the brevity of the research being conducted on many campuses, the general librarians are about as good as public librarians.  If your are at a rich university, you might have a librarian assigned to you [oh we researchers wish!!] who is current ont he knowledge int eh field and automatically reads everythign on the subject as it comes in off the wire &#8211; and only forwards the good stuff.  What&#8217;s good?  Well, that tells you how well proficient a research librarian must be in the field in order to gain the trust and respect of the respective research fields.</p>
<p>In most cases though, the research technicians/specialists in some labs and those sstudents who are acutally working hard [they're typically fellows, cum laude, honors students, never had an A- in their life sort of people] might as well be called research librarians, as many of them have a better working knowledge of the resources in their subject at the library than the very academic librarians themselves have.  Been there, done that.  It&#8217;s not a bad thing though, for on a truly competant campus where the subjects have real reputable academic acclaim, there really is no need for research lirbarians in the first place.  Part of being a researcher is having a solid foundation in research principles in the first place.<br />
Otherwise, librarians are there to keep materials on the shelf [library technician jobs] and keep the building doors manned and open &#8211; and solicit money and research grants for library science, of course!!!  It&#8217;s good for academic libraries to have a couple staff on had to police policies, give directions on how to use the copy machines, fix the computers, put paper in the printers, and give the &#8220;once upon a freshman&#8221; class on reseach methods.  </p>
<p>But even that last part is unnecessary as well &#8211; every Freshamn class I took had a &#8220;research methods&#8221; component within it, usually delivered within the first couple weeks, where we all went to the library and conducted research for a project.  And it was very typical that the person teaching us how to use the library was not the librarians, but rather the professor of the class and the grad assistants.  It&#8217;s surprising how easy it is to gain a relative level of competancy in library science&#8230;aha.aha.aha&#8230;</p>
<p>As my old boss said, Leave the library OUT of it!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bibliotecher</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/09/07/what-about-those-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-12968</link>
		<dc:creator>Bibliotecher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey now!

I&#039;ve seen cars with &quot;Elon University&quot; stickers on the rear window.

Then again, I&#039;ve also seen cars with &quot;Starfleet Academy&quot; ones too...

Maybe you&#039;re onto something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey now!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen cars with &#8220;Elon University&#8221; stickers on the rear window.</p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;ve also seen cars with &#8220;Starfleet Academy&#8221; ones too&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;re onto something.</p>
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		<title>By: No. 6</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/09/07/what-about-those-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-12943</link>
		<dc:creator>No. 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 05:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although I suppose it is possible that the students bought the pizza.  The Belk Library certainly does appear to be embracing the rave event this year. 

Can we blame them? Look at the attention it has gotten them.  If you can&#039;t be a great research library, throw a great party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I suppose it is possible that the students bought the pizza.  The Belk Library certainly does appear to be embracing the rave event this year. </p>
<p>Can we blame them? Look at the attention it has gotten them.  If you can&#8217;t be a great research library, throw a great party.</p>
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		<title>By: No. 6</title>
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		<dc:creator>No. 6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 05:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some of these respondents do not seem to have read anything about the Elon U event before replying.  A quick Google search brought up this year&#039;s http://www.elon.edu/pendulum/Story.aspx?id=2734 and last year&#039;s http://www.elon.edu/pendulum/Story.aspx?id=2797 student newspaper articles about this.

This year the rave is a planned homecoming event.  Last year I surmise it was also planned as pizza was served.  

See, the library is fun, boys and girls!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of these respondents do not seem to have read anything about the Elon U event before replying.  A quick Google search brought up this year&#8217;s <a href="http://www.elon.edu/pendulum/Story.aspx?id=2734" rel="nofollow">http://www.elon.edu/pendulum/Story.aspx?id=2734</a> and last year&#8217;s <a href="http://www.elon.edu/pendulum/Story.aspx?id=2797" rel="nofollow">http://www.elon.edu/pendulum/Story.aspx?id=2797</a> student newspaper articles about this.</p>
<p>This year the rave is a planned homecoming event.  Last year I surmise it was also planned as pizza was served.  </p>
<p>See, the library is fun, boys and girls!</p>
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		<title>By: Pessimistic librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pessimistic librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Raves or &quot;flash mobs&quot; or spontaneous crowd compustion seems like a de rigeur ritual of student academic life, not really library oriented or backed. If college libraries engage in this to get people into the library,  librarianship has reached a new low and is in serious trouble due to the irrelevance of this profession, academic or otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raves or &#8220;flash mobs&#8221; or spontaneous crowd compustion seems like a de rigeur ritual of student academic life, not really library oriented or backed. If college libraries engage in this to get people into the library,  librarianship has reached a new low and is in serious trouble due to the irrelevance of this profession, academic or otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Hickey</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/09/07/what-about-those-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-12925</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Hickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It might help also to research raves -- author is clearly confused between club raves held in commercial establishments and the current undergraduate fad of semi-spontaneous &quot;raves,&quot; in which the students storm a campus building (often, but not always, the library), dance crazily, and then disappear.  Perhaps inappropriate but definitely not a &quot;scheme to bring people into the library.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might help also to research raves &#8212; author is clearly confused between club raves held in commercial establishments and the current undergraduate fad of semi-spontaneous &#8220;raves,&#8221; in which the students storm a campus building (often, but not always, the library), dance crazily, and then disappear.  Perhaps inappropriate but definitely not a &#8220;scheme to bring people into the library.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eleanor Cook</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/09/07/what-about-those-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-12830</link>
		<dc:creator>Eleanor Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, but I just have to make a comment about this blog entry.  Just because you are a public librarian doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t do a little research of your own. Public librarians are allowed to help people with research needs too aren&#039;t they? They just don&#039;t do children story hours and run homeless people out the building, right?  You could have very easily looked up Elon University to see what was up with the situation and reported the facts, rather than wasting our time with your speculations and insults.

Making sweeping generalizations about academic libraries (like this entire blog entry is full of and I just did deliberately above - as a sarcastic example)is a waste of time here. 

I think LJ would do better to have a Blogger who is willing to take the time to be a little more thoughtful and accurate with their comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I just have to make a comment about this blog entry.  Just because you are a public librarian doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t do a little research of your own. Public librarians are allowed to help people with research needs too aren&#8217;t they? They just don&#8217;t do children story hours and run homeless people out the building, right?  You could have very easily looked up Elon University to see what was up with the situation and reported the facts, rather than wasting our time with your speculations and insults.</p>
<p>Making sweeping generalizations about academic libraries (like this entire blog entry is full of and I just did deliberately above &#8211; as a sarcastic example)is a waste of time here. </p>
<p>I think LJ would do better to have a Blogger who is willing to take the time to be a little more thoughtful and accurate with their comments.</p>
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		<title>By: LibTag</title>
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		<dc:creator>LibTag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good points!  I&#039;ve worked in all types of libraries, but the most frustrating, but also fun! was the Public setting.  We were policing people 85% of the time.  I hated it.  But I loved it when elderly people came in and asked about how to find a poem or how to get a definition of some disease their doc said they had.  Well, I didn&#039;t love that they had a disease, I loved being able to help them.  And it was mostly the older population that used us in this manner.  

Most Academic librarians have a mission because they are working in a library that is *required* to exist for the purpose of accreditation.  Even the tiniest school needs to provide library services.  And believe you me, if academic libraries were not required to exist, in many lousy little schools with nearsighted presidents, they would most certainly *not* exist!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good points!  I&#8217;ve worked in all types of libraries, but the most frustrating, but also fun! was the Public setting.  We were policing people 85% of the time.  I hated it.  But I loved it when elderly people came in and asked about how to find a poem or how to get a definition of some disease their doc said they had.  Well, I didn&#8217;t love that they had a disease, I loved being able to help them.  And it was mostly the older population that used us in this manner.  </p>
<p>Most Academic librarians have a mission because they are working in a library that is *required* to exist for the purpose of accreditation.  Even the tiniest school needs to provide library services.  And believe you me, if academic libraries were not required to exist, in many lousy little schools with nearsighted presidents, they would most certainly *not* exist!</p>
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