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		<title>By: Right-Wing Nut-Job</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right-Wing Nut-Job</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spekkio wrote: &quot;Michael Moore is not in the same category as Glenn Beck...&#039;Dude, Where’s My Country?&#039; includes 26 pages of notes and sources...&quot;

Like Spekkio, I&#039;m also slightly off topic. And I&#039;m clearly a couple of weeks late to the conversation. So nobody&#039;s going to read this. But I&#039;ll survive. These blog comment things are more about talking to the wall than having a reasonable conversation anyway.

I just looked. Beck&#039;s latest release -- the paperback edition of something about idiots and small minds and big government -- runs 25 pages of endnotes. So by Spekkio&#039;s logic, Beck can&#039;t possibly be biased. Right?

And, no. That doesn&#039;t make me believe Beck at face value any more than the 26 pages of endnotes make me trust Moore to provide an objective analysis of anything.

In fact, the titles and covers of both books (along with their publication dates) tell me right away at which end of the political spectrum the authors stand.

Citing references does not ensure an unbiased work. And the flavor of Moore&#039;s films and writings is punditry just as clearly as anything from Beck or Coulter. Moore is as much left-wing as Limbaugh is right-wing. 

And while we could argue political ideology all day and never get anywhere, I really do have a point to make on the professional librarian front:

Pundits and propaganda come from the idiots on the other side of the aisle. Our side doesn&#039;t produce them. Our guys just tell the Truth.

Or, to quote Ambrose Bierce from The Devil&#039;s Dictionary, a bigot is &quot;One who is obstinately and zealously attached to an opinion that you do not entertain.&quot;

We all have this lovely human tendency to call the people we agree with unbiased. Or &quot;fair and balanced&quot; if you prefer. 

And that&#039;s something we have to get over when serving as librarians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spekkio wrote: &#8220;Michael Moore is not in the same category as Glenn Beck&#8230;&#8217;Dude, Where’s My Country?&#8217; includes 26 pages of notes and sources&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Like Spekkio, I&#8217;m also slightly off topic. And I&#8217;m clearly a couple of weeks late to the conversation. So nobody&#8217;s going to read this. But I&#8217;ll survive. These blog comment things are more about talking to the wall than having a reasonable conversation anyway.</p>
<p>I just looked. Beck&#8217;s latest release &#8212; the paperback edition of something about idiots and small minds and big government &#8212; runs 25 pages of endnotes. So by Spekkio&#8217;s logic, Beck can&#8217;t possibly be biased. Right?</p>
<p>And, no. That doesn&#8217;t make me believe Beck at face value any more than the 26 pages of endnotes make me trust Moore to provide an objective analysis of anything.</p>
<p>In fact, the titles and covers of both books (along with their publication dates) tell me right away at which end of the political spectrum the authors stand.</p>
<p>Citing references does not ensure an unbiased work. And the flavor of Moore&#8217;s films and writings is punditry just as clearly as anything from Beck or Coulter. Moore is as much left-wing as Limbaugh is right-wing. </p>
<p>And while we could argue political ideology all day and never get anywhere, I really do have a point to make on the professional librarian front:</p>
<p>Pundits and propaganda come from the idiots on the other side of the aisle. Our side doesn&#8217;t produce them. Our guys just tell the Truth.</p>
<p>Or, to quote Ambrose Bierce from The Devil&#8217;s Dictionary, a bigot is &#8220;One who is obstinately and zealously attached to an opinion that you do not entertain.&#8221;</p>
<p>We all have this lovely human tendency to call the people we agree with unbiased. Or &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; if you prefer. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s something we have to get over when serving as librarians.</p>
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		<title>By: Librarian Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Librarian Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 16:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AL, I love your blog because you tell the truth and there&#039;s not enough of that.  I think you genuinely like libraries as they aspire to be and try to cut through the ridiculousness to get there.  It seems like it&#039;s hard enough to be a librarian fighting for quality information and good books without us tearing each other down for not being the right sort of librarian.  I&#039;ve been a public librarian and I&#039;ve been a school librarian.  I&#039;ve never been an academic librarian but some of my dearest friends are.  Plus, the best library mission I&#039;ve ever heard, the one I live by to this day came from a special librarian.  Trust me, there&#039;s real professionalism and real incompetence everywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL, I love your blog because you tell the truth and there&#8217;s not enough of that.  I think you genuinely like libraries as they aspire to be and try to cut through the ridiculousness to get there.  It seems like it&#8217;s hard enough to be a librarian fighting for quality information and good books without us tearing each other down for not being the right sort of librarian.  I&#8217;ve been a public librarian and I&#8217;ve been a school librarian.  I&#8217;ve never been an academic librarian but some of my dearest friends are.  Plus, the best library mission I&#8217;ve ever heard, the one I live by to this day came from a special librarian.  Trust me, there&#8217;s real professionalism and real incompetence everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Dodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 16:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After working 30 years in public libraries I am now working in an academic library. My experience has been that academic libraries have to be choosier about what they buy because they don&#039;t have half the money the public library has to build their collections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After working 30 years in public libraries I am now working in an academic library. My experience has been that academic libraries have to be choosier about what they buy because they don&#8217;t have half the money the public library has to build their collections.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Kat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Kat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 01:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s equally funny when academic researchers inform the library on resources they need to conduct their research, and the academic librarians snubs their nose at them and tell them they simply cannot get those resources.  And these libraries are shocked when those departments turn around and issue votes of No Condifence on the &quot;support survey&quot; drafted up in emergency session in face of library budget cuts.

At this point, I would leave the material selection up to the researchers, and the research guidance up to their advisors and their instructors.  In most cases, these human resources are far better than any librarian could ever hope to be unless the librarian was also active in that particular field.  Given the number of fields versus the number of active academic librarians, that&#039;s simply impossible.

In short, that means the library has one mission in life: supply material on demand.  If the library is unable or unwilling to accomplish that mission, then it&#039;s going to get reorganized by the administration!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s equally funny when academic researchers inform the library on resources they need to conduct their research, and the academic librarians snubs their nose at them and tell them they simply cannot get those resources.  And these libraries are shocked when those departments turn around and issue votes of No Condifence on the &#8220;support survey&#8221; drafted up in emergency session in face of library budget cuts.</p>
<p>At this point, I would leave the material selection up to the researchers, and the research guidance up to their advisors and their instructors.  In most cases, these human resources are far better than any librarian could ever hope to be unless the librarian was also active in that particular field.  Given the number of fields versus the number of active academic librarians, that&#8217;s simply impossible.</p>
<p>In short, that means the library has one mission in life: supply material on demand.  If the library is unable or unwilling to accomplish that mission, then it&#8217;s going to get reorganized by the administration!</p>
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		<title>By: Spekkio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spekkio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 00:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slightly off-topic, but Michael Moore is not in the same category as Glenn Beck. The aforementioned &quot;Dude, Where&#039;s My Country?&quot; includes 26 pages of notes and sources. For the film &quot;Fahrenheit 9/11&quot; he compiled a 363-page book including notes and sources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off-topic, but Michael Moore is not in the same category as Glenn Beck. The aforementioned &#8220;Dude, Where&#8217;s My Country?&#8221; includes 26 pages of notes and sources. For the film &#8220;Fahrenheit 9/11&#8243; he compiled a 363-page book including notes and sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I loved college life and academic libraries in particular, people like AL who work on niversity campuses and feel that they are the center of the universe, smarter and better than the rest of us, are common enough to be a just a cliche. These sheltered residents of the ivory tower are irritating, but ridiculous and amusing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I loved college life and academic libraries in particular, people like AL who work on niversity campuses and feel that they are the center of the universe, smarter and better than the rest of us, are common enough to be a just a cliche. These sheltered residents of the ivory tower are irritating, but ridiculous and amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: It Girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>It Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I find myself explaining constantly why they should be using a more scholarly work and doing graduate-level work in a graduate-level library. Unfortunately, they all seem reluctant to use their university library.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry, but I honestly believe that should be the professor&#039;s job, not yours. If professors allow students to use such resources, of course the students will! Only when the professors reject the resources will the students develop better researching skills.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I find myself explaining constantly why they should be using a more scholarly work and doing graduate-level work in a graduate-level library. Unfortunately, they all seem reluctant to use their university library.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I honestly believe that should be the professor&#8217;s job, not yours. If professors allow students to use such resources, of course the students will! Only when the professors reject the resources will the students develop better researching skills.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh knocked the snob-ball pitch right out of the park. You are deluded if you think public librarians - who received their MLS from an ALA accredited institution- would seriously recommend Hannity/Beck/Moore to a student writing an academic paper.

When public librarians are assisting students writing a paper they take a different approach to the reference interview than say if a patron approaches and says, &quot;I like Da Vinci code, what other books are like that?&quot;

I&#039;m enjoying you constantly stirring the pot and fomenting skirmishes among the public and academic set. Do us all a favor and do some volunteer work at a public library. The work there is sometimes slow, so you could still blog. At public libraries you don&#039;t have to be sycophantic to profs or deans and publish stale stuff, which you would never speak of to anyone outside of the profession. You also get to assist people with real problems, and not the ones looking for the software that will format their paper automatically to the APA style. 

See how it feels when I write that way about where you work? Good.

Signed, 
A community college librarian]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh knocked the snob-ball pitch right out of the park. You are deluded if you think public librarians &#8211; who received their MLS from an ALA accredited institution- would seriously recommend Hannity/Beck/Moore to a student writing an academic paper.</p>
<p>When public librarians are assisting students writing a paper they take a different approach to the reference interview than say if a patron approaches and says, &#8220;I like Da Vinci code, what other books are like that?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m enjoying you constantly stirring the pot and fomenting skirmishes among the public and academic set. Do us all a favor and do some volunteer work at a public library. The work there is sometimes slow, so you could still blog. At public libraries you don&#8217;t have to be sycophantic to profs or deans and publish stale stuff, which you would never speak of to anyone outside of the profession. You also get to assist people with real problems, and not the ones looking for the software that will format their paper automatically to the APA style. </p>
<p>See how it feels when I write that way about where you work? Good.</p>
<p>Signed,<br />
A community college librarian</p>
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		<title>By: VT Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>VT Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The idea of the librarian as an arbiter of good taste is actually rather 19th-century, a time in which arguments over whether libraries should include &quot;low art&quot; vs. &quot;high art&quot; were much in vogue.

In the academic library I work in today, I have to balance &quot;what people want&quot; with &quot;what does the college need in order to fulfill it&#039;s teaching mission.&quot;  If fulfilling that mission requires access to books by Ann Coulter et al., then I&#039;m going to buy them, regardless of how despicable to me personally I may find her opionions.

I would think by now that arguing that topic X or Y is not a fit topic for study would have gone the way of the argument for or against online resources.  Everything and anything is a potential target for research and scholarship today.  Professionalism in librarianship means (in part) putting aside one&#039;s personal biases and doing whatever the job requires.

PS: @Real Librarian, who wrote: &quot;In academia, you can sit back on your tenured ass and do what you want.&quot;  I&#039;m not sure what planet you&#039;re writing from, but this is as silly and thoughtless a comment as I&#039;ve seen in a long time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of the librarian as an arbiter of good taste is actually rather 19th-century, a time in which arguments over whether libraries should include &#8220;low art&#8221; vs. &#8220;high art&#8221; were much in vogue.</p>
<p>In the academic library I work in today, I have to balance &#8220;what people want&#8221; with &#8220;what does the college need in order to fulfill it&#8217;s teaching mission.&#8221;  If fulfilling that mission requires access to books by Ann Coulter et al., then I&#8217;m going to buy them, regardless of how despicable to me personally I may find her opionions.</p>
<p>I would think by now that arguing that topic X or Y is not a fit topic for study would have gone the way of the argument for or against online resources.  Everything and anything is a potential target for research and scholarship today.  Professionalism in librarianship means (in part) putting aside one&#8217;s personal biases and doing whatever the job requires.</p>
<p>PS: @Real Librarian, who wrote: &#8220;In academia, you can sit back on your tenured ass and do what you want.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not sure what planet you&#8217;re writing from, but this is as silly and thoughtless a comment as I&#8217;ve seen in a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: snoopylibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>snoopylibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a public librarians, we choose books that will educate children who are required to write papers on a variety of subjects. Every book that is purchased for the young adult and juvenile nonfiction collections is chosen deliberately seeking the most accurate information in a form the children will read. I would also like to point out that as a child of libraries I developed a passion for reading and without that passion for learning, for filling my mind with knowledge I would have drowned in the public school and academic libraries offerings. And as the parent of college students today I find the same feelings of love for knowledge which were developed at story time and summer reading programs. Not reading 25 books a semester and issuing forth 25 boring book reports on biographies, histories, historical fiction, government, science. etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a public librarians, we choose books that will educate children who are required to write papers on a variety of subjects. Every book that is purchased for the young adult and juvenile nonfiction collections is chosen deliberately seeking the most accurate information in a form the children will read. I would also like to point out that as a child of libraries I developed a passion for reading and without that passion for learning, for filling my mind with knowledge I would have drowned in the public school and academic libraries offerings. And as the parent of college students today I find the same feelings of love for knowledge which were developed at story time and summer reading programs. Not reading 25 books a semester and issuing forth 25 boring book reports on biographies, histories, historical fiction, government, science. etc.</p>
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