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		<title>By: JD</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 00:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those top-ranked lists are ridiculous. I went to Pitt and haven&#039;t found a professional job. Everyone I know who went to Clarion is happily employed. Pitt was a joke. Most of the faculty who taught while I was there has gone over to Drexel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those top-ranked lists are ridiculous. I went to Pitt and haven&#8217;t found a professional job. Everyone I know who went to Clarion is happily employed. Pitt was a joke. Most of the faculty who taught while I was there has gone over to Drexel.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 12:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll never forget the person in one of my classes who thought the homework one night was really hard.  I said, &quot;Well, I think once you get on the online catalog, it&#039;s pretty easy to look this stuff up and write down the answers.&quot;  She said, &quot;Yeah, the catalog...How do you use that?&quot;

This was at a well-ranked MLS program, and it was more than a month into the program, and the student I was talking to already had a master&#039;s degree in education. She was changing careers after having been a classroom teacher.

This is a true story - if I could make up stuff as crazy and horrific as this, I&#039;d be putting Stephen King and Joe Hill out of business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll never forget the person in one of my classes who thought the homework one night was really hard.  I said, &#8220;Well, I think once you get on the online catalog, it&#8217;s pretty easy to look this stuff up and write down the answers.&#8221;  She said, &#8220;Yeah, the catalog&#8230;How do you use that?&#8221;</p>
<p>This was at a well-ranked MLS program, and it was more than a month into the program, and the student I was talking to already had a master&#8217;s degree in education. She was changing careers after having been a classroom teacher.</p>
<p>This is a true story &#8211; if I could make up stuff as crazy and horrific as this, I&#8217;d be putting Stephen King and Joe Hill out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, maybe where you went to school does matter, Tech Serving You, though friends of mine in the non library world have said that it didn&#039;t matter all that much. I thought my school was ranked well until I saw that it was below the top 10, and wondered how it got there since it used to be higher up in the rankings.  There were so many excellent teachers there. 

I put a lot of work into the process, above what was required, so found that I got a lot out of my classes.  Still, no one has seemed to care either in my undergrad or post graduate days where I went to school.  They always seemed to be far more interested in what I could do. Interesting that maybe I matters more than I thought it did, and perhaps it did help in landing that first job (even though I didn&#039;t think it did) since the professors at my school were well known in the field.  Three of my main teachers now teach in those schools ranked number one and two.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe where you went to school does matter, Tech Serving You, though friends of mine in the non library world have said that it didn&#8217;t matter all that much. I thought my school was ranked well until I saw that it was below the top 10, and wondered how it got there since it used to be higher up in the rankings.  There were so many excellent teachers there. </p>
<p>I put a lot of work into the process, above what was required, so found that I got a lot out of my classes.  Still, no one has seemed to care either in my undergrad or post graduate days where I went to school.  They always seemed to be far more interested in what I could do. Interesting that maybe I matters more than I thought it did, and perhaps it did help in landing that first job (even though I didn&#8217;t think it did) since the professors at my school were well known in the field.  Three of my main teachers now teach in those schools ranked number one and two.</p>
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		<title>By: Techserving You</title>
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		<dc:creator>Techserving You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like books - it also sounds like you don&#039;t have experience in other fields.  It is utterly ridiculous to say that your choice of grad school does not matter in other fields.  In some fields, it is all-important.

(To others - my point above was that I don&#039;t think your choice of library school matters unless you plan to leave the profession.  In that case, I think it does matter.  I don&#039;t mean that you need to attend one of those &quot;highly-ranked&quot; library schools - those programs are often at schools which otherwise are not very well-regarded. Instead, attending a program at a university which is considered a research powerhouse and has a good international reputation will serve you well when dealing with people (future admissions committees, hiring managers) who don&#039;t know anything about an MLIS program.  a 3.9 GPA from a top-ranked university looks a lot better than a 3.9 for University of North Texas or whatever that school is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like books &#8211; it also sounds like you don&#8217;t have experience in other fields.  It is utterly ridiculous to say that your choice of grad school does not matter in other fields.  In some fields, it is all-important.</p>
<p>(To others &#8211; my point above was that I don&#8217;t think your choice of library school matters unless you plan to leave the profession.  In that case, I think it does matter.  I don&#8217;t mean that you need to attend one of those &#8220;highly-ranked&#8221; library schools &#8211; those programs are often at schools which otherwise are not very well-regarded. Instead, attending a program at a university which is considered a research powerhouse and has a good international reputation will serve you well when dealing with people (future admissions committees, hiring managers) who don&#8217;t know anything about an MLIS program.  a 3.9 GPA from a top-ranked university looks a lot better than a 3.9 for University of North Texas or whatever that school is.</p>
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		<title>By: Techserving You</title>
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		<dc:creator>Techserving You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like books - keep telling yourself that NOBODY in ANY field cares where you went to school.  It&#039;s simply not true.  (To others commenting on this statement, please read my above post to understand my full position.)  There are numerous fields in which educational background of professionals is made public to clients, and the educational institutions do matter.  Also, there are many quite saturated fields... where everyone has good experience.  Schools matter.

Schools also matter when you are first entering a new field (not librarianship, see above comment.)  Trust me, my undergrad institution is what got me my first job out of college, and continued to make me stand out and be successful in all of my job searches.  I also now have two very powerful alumni networks behind me, with successful people in all industries willing to help out fellow grads.

I definitely agree experience is important, and great experience can trump a Harvard degree that&#039;s coupled with less experience.  But it is simply not true that nobody cares where you went to school.  Admissions committees for future degree programs, and hiring managers, DO take your education into consideration.  I have inside knowledge of this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like books &#8211; keep telling yourself that NOBODY in ANY field cares where you went to school.  It&#8217;s simply not true.  (To others commenting on this statement, please read my above post to understand my full position.)  There are numerous fields in which educational background of professionals is made public to clients, and the educational institutions do matter.  Also, there are many quite saturated fields&#8230; where everyone has good experience.  Schools matter.</p>
<p>Schools also matter when you are first entering a new field (not librarianship, see above comment.)  Trust me, my undergrad institution is what got me my first job out of college, and continued to make me stand out and be successful in all of my job searches.  I also now have two very powerful alumni networks behind me, with successful people in all industries willing to help out fellow grads.</p>
<p>I definitely agree experience is important, and great experience can trump a Harvard degree that&#8217;s coupled with less experience.  But it is simply not true that nobody cares where you went to school.  Admissions committees for future degree programs, and hiring managers, DO take your education into consideration.  I have inside knowledge of this.</p>
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		<title>By: de la Tour de Auvergne fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>de la Tour de Auvergne fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, so what if library schools are interchangable.  I chose LSU because they had a few challenging classes (including one that was a legitimate graduate seminar that actually required a real research paper) and because I had just finished another graduate degree in a subject area renowned for having way more men than women.  So, being a single guy in my early 30s, I go down to Baton Rouge and there are tons of women who look like models and are actually smart, just walking around like they&#039;re unaware they&#039;re anything special - and, yes, there were even a few like that in library school.  So I sat through the easy classes, worked and learned in the 1-2 challenging &amp; useful classes, had beers at the Chimes with a bunch of intelligent, attractive Louisiana girls, tailgated on home game weekends (Geaux Tigers) and got a degree that got me a good job.  I work, I research and I publish in an academic library where I have great colleagues who are all smart and do a good job.  So I don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s a$$ if somebody thinks LSU or any other library school sucks.  Going to library school worked for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so what if library schools are interchangable.  I chose LSU because they had a few challenging classes (including one that was a legitimate graduate seminar that actually required a real research paper) and because I had just finished another graduate degree in a subject area renowned for having way more men than women.  So, being a single guy in my early 30s, I go down to Baton Rouge and there are tons of women who look like models and are actually smart, just walking around like they&#8217;re unaware they&#8217;re anything special &#8211; and, yes, there were even a few like that in library school.  So I sat through the easy classes, worked and learned in the 1-2 challenging &amp; useful classes, had beers at the Chimes with a bunch of intelligent, attractive Louisiana girls, tailgated on home game weekends (Geaux Tigers) and got a degree that got me a good job.  I work, I research and I publish in an academic library where I have great colleagues who are all smart and do a good job.  So I don&#8217;t give a rat&#8217;s a$$ if somebody thinks LSU or any other library school sucks.  Going to library school worked for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found that the course work was what you made it, and thought my two year experience at the school pretty good. The grading was too easy, but those who didn&#039;t put the work into it typically didn&#039;t find jobs post graduation and that was when the economy was good.  Being young, without obligations, I was able to move to attend school, though I could have done it all online.  I chose my particular school for the reputation of the professors in the field I wished to pursue. Classes were both online and face-to-face.  All online would have been a different deal because I would have lacked the opportunities I had to work under some terrific librarians in the community,  and form professional relationships with teachers and mentors.  

I agree with one of the commentators that the school you go to and the grades you earn generally don&#039;t matter either in library world or in other professions. Being mobile and gaining pre graduation experience is important. Employers are interested in what you can do for them now.  

But it&#039;s so hard for new grads to find a job currently that I actively discourage people from going into the profession without knowing what they are getting into first, particularly if they are unable or unwilling to move wherever. It&#039;s unconscionable to expect people to take out loans and go for a degree with little hope of finding a job because there are too many people in the field. Yes, this can be said for other fields too, but I&#039;ve been told by older librarians that this idea of mass retirement has been around for a very long time, far more than the 10 years indicated in the graying of the profession article on another page on this site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found that the course work was what you made it, and thought my two year experience at the school pretty good. The grading was too easy, but those who didn&#8217;t put the work into it typically didn&#8217;t find jobs post graduation and that was when the economy was good.  Being young, without obligations, I was able to move to attend school, though I could have done it all online.  I chose my particular school for the reputation of the professors in the field I wished to pursue. Classes were both online and face-to-face.  All online would have been a different deal because I would have lacked the opportunities I had to work under some terrific librarians in the community,  and form professional relationships with teachers and mentors.  </p>
<p>I agree with one of the commentators that the school you go to and the grades you earn generally don&#8217;t matter either in library world or in other professions. Being mobile and gaining pre graduation experience is important. Employers are interested in what you can do for them now.  </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s so hard for new grads to find a job currently that I actively discourage people from going into the profession without knowing what they are getting into first, particularly if they are unable or unwilling to move wherever. It&#8217;s unconscionable to expect people to take out loans and go for a degree with little hope of finding a job because there are too many people in the field. Yes, this can be said for other fields too, but I&#8217;ve been told by older librarians that this idea of mass retirement has been around for a very long time, far more than the 10 years indicated in the graying of the profession article on another page on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Midge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Midge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree--I chose my program not knowing how awful it was, but because it *had* been highly ranked and well-regarded at one time. Then I was stuck there. But it was through that craptacular program that I got great experience in our libraries as a student, super references, opportunities for professional development, and my first professional position after school. I&#039;m kind of glad it was easy because I was able to work more without having to worry about my classwork. I do hope though that it will become more rigorous to encourage some (or any) natural selection.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree&#8211;I chose my program not knowing how awful it was, but because it *had* been highly ranked and well-regarded at one time. Then I was stuck there. But it was through that craptacular program that I got great experience in our libraries as a student, super references, opportunities for professional development, and my first professional position after school. I&#8217;m kind of glad it was easy because I was able to work more without having to worry about my classwork. I do hope though that it will become more rigorous to encourage some (or any) natural selection.</p>
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		<title>By: Spekkio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spekkio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 21:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick note: use Google Maps to locate Clarion University of PA. That&#039;s one reason why someone might go to Pitt instead, assuming that you&#039;re an on-campus student.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick note: use Google Maps to locate Clarion University of PA. That&#8217;s one reason why someone might go to Pitt instead, assuming that you&#8217;re an on-campus student.</p>
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		<title>By: AH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ItGirl, congratulations, and you&#039;re right, going to a particular school does not necessarily have to limit your options.  It certainly was not my intent to dis Wayne State (which in my opinion actually has a stronger LIS curriculum than Michigan).  Maybe a better way I could make my point is that not all library schools have recruiters coming from Google and Microsoft and Deloitte and the CIA, etc.  It just helps to have that broader portfolio of options when you actually have to find a job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ItGirl, congratulations, and you&#8217;re right, going to a particular school does not necessarily have to limit your options.  It certainly was not my intent to dis Wayne State (which in my opinion actually has a stronger LIS curriculum than Michigan).  Maybe a better way I could make my point is that not all library schools have recruiters coming from Google and Microsoft and Deloitte and the CIA, etc.  It just helps to have that broader portfolio of options when you actually have to find a job.</p>
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