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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: SK</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/12/01/no-way-to-deal-with-fines/comment-page-1/#comment-25032</link>
		<dc:creator>SK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 15:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ann -- I have been known to waive fines in most cases. This is partly because our catalog is ancient, buggy, and prone to error, admittedly. I&#039;d like to get rid of them entirely, because their purpose to deter lateness doesn&#039;t work, but that decision is not in my hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann &#8212; I have been known to waive fines in most cases. This is partly because our catalog is ancient, buggy, and prone to error, admittedly. I&#8217;d like to get rid of them entirely, because their purpose to deter lateness doesn&#8217;t work, but that decision is not in my hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Hokanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Hokanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 00:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;why not abolish fines altogether, as many libraries have done&quot;

We&#039;ve been looking for research on the effects of abolishing fines---and cannot find anything very current---and also have not been able to find the &quot;many libraries&quot; we&#039;ve often heard tell of....because we&#039;d call them up and ask them for their anecdotal evidence...I&#039;m starting to think this is a myth...we&#039;ve found Rangeview, of course, and lots of smaller libraries that don&#039;t have fines on children&#039;s materials....but no studies or statistics....

As for the long-term outlook for libraries focusing on popular materials---I&#039;m in the grim and grimmer camp as far as the future of libraries goes----but to me it is a great thing----the private sector or nongovernmental sector and technology making huge chunks of information so widely and cheaply available that most people have easy ready access...cool!  Libraries will still fill in the gaps, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why not abolish fines altogether, as many libraries have done&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been looking for research on the effects of abolishing fines&#8212;and cannot find anything very current&#8212;and also have not been able to find the &#8220;many libraries&#8221; we&#8217;ve often heard tell of&#8230;.because we&#8217;d call them up and ask them for their anecdotal evidence&#8230;I&#8217;m starting to think this is a myth&#8230;we&#8217;ve found Rangeview, of course, and lots of smaller libraries that don&#8217;t have fines on children&#8217;s materials&#8230;.but no studies or statistics&#8230;.</p>
<p>As for the long-term outlook for libraries focusing on popular materials&#8212;I&#8217;m in the grim and grimmer camp as far as the future of libraries goes&#8212;-but to me it is a great thing&#8212;-the private sector or nongovernmental sector and technology making huge chunks of information so widely and cheaply available that most people have easy ready access&#8230;cool!  Libraries will still fill in the gaps, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randal Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 09:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think that the idea is all that bad.  As was previously alluded to, Netflix only offers DVDs and streaming video.  Netflix DOES NOT offer books, books on CD, computer programs, games, music, or even VHS tapes; many public libraries carry these items and many others.

I love Netflix.  It is a great value for the money.  The ability to watch unlimited streaming video (when the cable internet isn&#039;t bogged down) and have a DVD out for as long as I want for such a low price, is truly revolutionary.  But this librarian is not trying to compete with Netflix, and to suggest otherwise is either disingenuous or seriously lacking in perception.

As an intensely curious person (one of too few in the library profession), I would definitely take advantage of this service if it were available at a &quot;large&quot; library nearby.  Three bucks a month is a good deal to not have to keep up with three different renewals.  

There are still people around who like movies AND the internet AND other things.  Have a long commute to work and want to mix things up with a book on CD or some classical music?  Want to learn a programming language or keep a great looking &quot;Wind and the Willows&quot; edition around for your daughter?  Or keep a Wii game around until you become bored with it?  I can think of many smart professionals who might like this subscription program for any number of reasons, not the least of which the money they would save.

AL, I agree with you that any technology or tool should be used wisely, and that innovation is not always better than what it replaces, but we must not be so rigid, unimaginative, and pessimistic that people are afraid to tryout plausibly good ideas lest they be publicly ridiculed for falling short.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that the idea is all that bad.  As was previously alluded to, Netflix only offers DVDs and streaming video.  Netflix DOES NOT offer books, books on CD, computer programs, games, music, or even VHS tapes; many public libraries carry these items and many others.</p>
<p>I love Netflix.  It is a great value for the money.  The ability to watch unlimited streaming video (when the cable internet isn&#8217;t bogged down) and have a DVD out for as long as I want for such a low price, is truly revolutionary.  But this librarian is not trying to compete with Netflix, and to suggest otherwise is either disingenuous or seriously lacking in perception.</p>
<p>As an intensely curious person (one of too few in the library profession), I would definitely take advantage of this service if it were available at a &#8220;large&#8221; library nearby.  Three bucks a month is a good deal to not have to keep up with three different renewals.  </p>
<p>There are still people around who like movies AND the internet AND other things.  Have a long commute to work and want to mix things up with a book on CD or some classical music?  Want to learn a programming language or keep a great looking &#8220;Wind and the Willows&#8221; edition around for your daughter?  Or keep a Wii game around until you become bored with it?  I can think of many smart professionals who might like this subscription program for any number of reasons, not the least of which the money they would save.</p>
<p>AL, I agree with you that any technology or tool should be used wisely, and that innovation is not always better than what it replaces, but we must not be so rigid, unimaginative, and pessimistic that people are afraid to tryout plausibly good ideas lest they be publicly ridiculed for falling short.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Storbeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Storbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 04:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We shouldn&#039;t provide what is easily obtainable from the private sector - and dvd&#039;s can be gotten for a dollar from vending machines now. Libraries should have never gone this route; we do have many valuable services (especially public ownership of access to the info world) to offer.

Again, the biggest threat to libraries is Library Journal and the goofballs in charge........boooooooo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We shouldn&#8217;t provide what is easily obtainable from the private sector &#8211; and dvd&#8217;s can be gotten for a dollar from vending machines now. Libraries should have never gone this route; we do have many valuable services (especially public ownership of access to the info world) to offer.</p>
<p>Again, the biggest threat to libraries is Library Journal and the goofballs in charge&#8230;&#8230;..boooooooo</p>
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		<title>By: Techserving You</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2010/12/01/no-way-to-deal-with-fines/comment-page-1/#comment-22553</link>
		<dc:creator>Techserving You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 22:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That program is absolutely ridiculous, and I am surprised at the number of people (or actually, knowing librarians, not that surprised) applauding them for trying something new.  I do not understand why so many librarians think that &quot;trying something new&quot; - even if it is obviously idiotic and doomed to fail from the very start - is somehow inherently better than not trying something new... as if merely doing something new is innovative and a superior approach.  Perhaps the others libraries which do nothing have considered such stupid plans and decided against them, knowing that they would fail.

Yes, there are some ideas which are &quot;ahead of the curve&quot; and as such are unsuccessful... the time for them has not yet come.  This is not such an idea, as the AL clearly points out.  There are programs which are just bad ideas to begin with.  This program meets that description, as it&#039;s a program which is already being done so much better by a company.  As the AL says, it&#039;s behind the curve.  It would be &quot;innovative&quot; if no one else were already doing it, and doing it better.  Perhaps some think that people should pay more for an inferior service, all in the name of supporting a library rather than supporting a big, bad corporation, or some nonsense like that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That program is absolutely ridiculous, and I am surprised at the number of people (or actually, knowing librarians, not that surprised) applauding them for trying something new.  I do not understand why so many librarians think that &#8220;trying something new&#8221; &#8211; even if it is obviously idiotic and doomed to fail from the very start &#8211; is somehow inherently better than not trying something new&#8230; as if merely doing something new is innovative and a superior approach.  Perhaps the others libraries which do nothing have considered such stupid plans and decided against them, knowing that they would fail.</p>
<p>Yes, there are some ideas which are &#8220;ahead of the curve&#8221; and as such are unsuccessful&#8230; the time for them has not yet come.  This is not such an idea, as the AL clearly points out.  There are programs which are just bad ideas to begin with.  This program meets that description, as it&#8217;s a program which is already being done so much better by a company.  As the AL says, it&#8217;s behind the curve.  It would be &#8220;innovative&#8221; if no one else were already doing it, and doing it better.  Perhaps some think that people should pay more for an inferior service, all in the name of supporting a library rather than supporting a big, bad corporation, or some nonsense like that?</p>
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		<title>By: Elena1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gina Dickens, bring on the hate. 
I overheard a discussion once from a fellow bed-and-breakfaster at a communal breakfast table. He was complaining about how his College just built a new library. He worked in the athletic department and was upset they didn&#039;t have the funding to build him a new sports complex. His comment, about as simplistic as yours, &quot;Why do they need that new library? Google now has all the books a researcher needs online.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina Dickens, bring on the hate.<br />
I overheard a discussion once from a fellow bed-and-breakfaster at a communal breakfast table. He was complaining about how his College just built a new library. He worked in the athletic department and was upset they didn&#8217;t have the funding to build him a new sports complex. His comment, about as simplistic as yours, &#8220;Why do they need that new library? Google now has all the books a researcher needs online.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Dickens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Dickens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 22:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It really does not matter any more what libraries may or may not do. There are always others who can do things better or the way users like better. Libraries try to survivie but I don&#039;t see how. Librarians seem to be so proud of their profession that they cannot accept that the society at large no longer is interested in spending money for libraries. I often hear self-praise from them. Libraries are a service, and when users don&#039;t need it, that&#039;s it. Some say that there is an increasing demand for librarians, but have their salaries been increasing with the &quot;demand&quot;? No. Because there is no demand in fact. Remember librarians: what you do is not what you are, and let it go and find a new career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really does not matter any more what libraries may or may not do. There are always others who can do things better or the way users like better. Libraries try to survivie but I don&#8217;t see how. Librarians seem to be so proud of their profession that they cannot accept that the society at large no longer is interested in spending money for libraries. I often hear self-praise from them. Libraries are a service, and when users don&#8217;t need it, that&#8217;s it. Some say that there is an increasing demand for librarians, but have their salaries been increasing with the &#8220;demand&#8221;? No. Because there is no demand in fact. Remember librarians: what you do is not what you are, and let it go and find a new career.</p>
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		<title>By: Shore Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shore Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Bob that libraries should attempt new services even if they fail at first.  Many times projects are halted one step before they take off and become profitable.  It is premature to assume a new service does not work because it is not an instant success.  In this situation perhaps more marketing is needed?  And maybe the &quot;Friends of the Library&quot; could use their influence to get the message out.  

We must come together as a community to support one another, not knock each other down.  We already have slashed budgets and dwindling staff.  Is it really productive to kill potentially good ideas?  

Think about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Bob that libraries should attempt new services even if they fail at first.  Many times projects are halted one step before they take off and become profitable.  It is premature to assume a new service does not work because it is not an instant success.  In this situation perhaps more marketing is needed?  And maybe the &#8220;Friends of the Library&#8221; could use their influence to get the message out.  </p>
<p>We must come together as a community to support one another, not knock each other down.  We already have slashed budgets and dwindling staff.  Is it really productive to kill potentially good ideas?  </p>
<p>Think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Skipbear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skipbear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting that the director thought she could do what Blockbuster and Walmart failed to do i.e. compete with Netflix.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the director thought she could do what Blockbuster and Walmart failed to do i.e. compete with Netflix.</p>
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		<title>By: FinallyaLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>FinallyaLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the lurid and sensational story of the reckless or the lawless&quot; &amp; &quot;the time-killing novel, an aid to people who have not much to do&quot;

That&#039;s 80% of our patrons, whether retired, jobless, or homeless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the lurid and sensational story of the reckless or the lawless&#8221; &amp; &#8220;the time-killing novel, an aid to people who have not much to do&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s 80% of our patrons, whether retired, jobless, or homeless.</p>
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