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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 17:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Corrctions:
York County Public Library has two libraries and the County of York did not reduce its per capita contribution to the Williamsburg Regional Library.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrctions:<br />
York County Public Library has two libraries and the County of York did not reduce its per capita contribution to the Williamsburg Regional Library.</p>
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		<title>By: williamsburg business owner</title>
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		<dc:creator>williamsburg business owner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 10:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When my son was 6 my husband and I opened a store in Williamsburg. At the time we lived in WV and would drive 2 hours  to Williamsburg every week or 2.

We soon discovered the Williamsburg Regional Library and it wonderful collection of children&#039;s books, which far surpassed our home library
Each visit we  would go to the Williamsburg    library and my son would borrow books to  read on the trips between WV and Williamsburg. We did this for 3 years till we  finally decided to move to Williamsburg. 

It is wrong to deny a library to people who do not pay taxes in a particular municipality.  

The right thing to do it come up with a plan that makes books accessible to everyone and figure out what are reasonable fees for non-residents. To deny this service goes against the core of the library&#039;s mission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my son was 6 my husband and I opened a store in Williamsburg. At the time we lived in WV and would drive 2 hours  to Williamsburg every week or 2.</p>
<p>We soon discovered the Williamsburg Regional Library and it wonderful collection of children&#8217;s books, which far surpassed our home library<br />
Each visit we  would go to the Williamsburg    library and my son would borrow books to  read on the trips between WV and Williamsburg. We did this for 3 years till we  finally decided to move to Williamsburg. </p>
<p>It is wrong to deny a library to people who do not pay taxes in a particular municipality.  </p>
<p>The right thing to do it come up with a plan that makes books accessible to everyone and figure out what are reasonable fees for non-residents. To deny this service goes against the core of the library&#8217;s mission.</p>
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		<title>By: cheapirish</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheapirish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 01:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jen has it exactly right:  &quot;So if Williamsburg would start charging some counties on a single user basis, York would probably pull county level funding and require its residents to individually pay as well.&quot;

This has been pointed out to SWB and others on her blog and other sites.  They want to hear it directly from the mouth of the library board members or director, but they won&#039;t - it&#039;s just not politically possible for them to be that public with it.  Don&#039;t believe me - read about it here directly from the York Board of Supervisors - http://bit.ly/fVuRo4]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jen has it exactly right:  &#8220;So if Williamsburg would start charging some counties on a single user basis, York would probably pull county level funding and require its residents to individually pay as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>This has been pointed out to SWB and others on her blog and other sites.  They want to hear it directly from the mouth of the library board members or director, but they won&#8217;t &#8211; it&#8217;s just not politically possible for them to be that public with it.  Don&#8217;t believe me &#8211; read about it here directly from the York Board of Supervisors &#8211; <a href="http://bit.ly/fVuRo4" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/fVuRo4</a></p>
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		<title>By: librarEwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>librarEwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Randall Powell: Most public libraries actually do have interlibrary loan, at least to some extent. The public library at which I work requests and fulfills many interlibrary loans every day. I&#039;m not sure how you are under the impression that while academic libraries have interlibrary loan, most public libraries do not. That&#039;s totally opposite of my experiences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randall Powell: Most public libraries actually do have interlibrary loan, at least to some extent. The public library at which I work requests and fulfills many interlibrary loans every day. I&#8217;m not sure how you are under the impression that while academic libraries have interlibrary loan, most public libraries do not. That&#8217;s totally opposite of my experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randal Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One can feel free to replace “Virginia” in my comments with any state they feel applies.  And I wish everyone in all 50 states a Happy Holidays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can feel free to replace “Virginia” in my comments with any state they feel applies.  And I wish everyone in all 50 states a Happy Holidays.</p>
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		<title>By: cheapirish</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheapirish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laura said: &quot;At the Williamsburg library, you must have a library card to use their computers.&quot;  Not true, Laura.  

Laura also says: &quot;Williamsburg gets a significant amount of funding from the state&quot;  About 4% is state aid - a number that has been decreasing across the state for years.

The point is, if people from these other counties are able to check out items, then one of the existing partners in this regional library system could pull out - and some of their politicians have made exactly that threat repeatedly over the years.  And the loss of their contribution couldn&#039;t be made up through paid cards - the cost would be way north of $100.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura said: &#8220;At the Williamsburg library, you must have a library card to use their computers.&#8221;  Not true, Laura.  </p>
<p>Laura also says: &#8220;Williamsburg gets a significant amount of funding from the state&#8221;  About 4% is state aid &#8211; a number that has been decreasing across the state for years.</p>
<p>The point is, if people from these other counties are able to check out items, then one of the existing partners in this regional library system could pull out &#8211; and some of their politicians have made exactly that threat repeatedly over the years.  And the loss of their contribution couldn&#8217;t be made up through paid cards &#8211; the cost would be way north of $100.</p>
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		<title>By: Granby at Vellinghausen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Granby at Vellinghausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had my say and stand by it.  So if you, Powell and whoever want to slam Virginians&#039; committment to intellectual pursuits on the basis of unsubstantiated generalizations, you&#039;re free to do that I suppose.  And Spekkio if you want to say &quot;even one lousy library reflects poorly on the state&quot; then Virginia is no differen than any other state in the U.S.   I mean is there any state in the country that doesn&#039;t have at least one &quot;lousy&quot; (however defined) library?  So when AL writes some blurb on some problem elsewhere I can count on you to apply the same standard to that state, right?  I wouldn&#039;t make a big deal of all this if this blog and many of its commentors didn&#039;t make a habit of South-bashing.  Oh, and I realize Powell said he was from the South too.  (By the way, I like Virginia and the U.S. South, but, in case you&#039;re wondering, I&#039;m not some neo-Confederate type and hate all that damn rebel flag they go on and on about.)  So, think what you want, enjoy making your comments if it makes you happy, but I backed up my responses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had my say and stand by it.  So if you, Powell and whoever want to slam Virginians&#8217; committment to intellectual pursuits on the basis of unsubstantiated generalizations, you&#8217;re free to do that I suppose.  And Spekkio if you want to say &#8220;even one lousy library reflects poorly on the state&#8221; then Virginia is no differen than any other state in the U.S.   I mean is there any state in the country that doesn&#8217;t have at least one &#8220;lousy&#8221; (however defined) library?  So when AL writes some blurb on some problem elsewhere I can count on you to apply the same standard to that state, right?  I wouldn&#8217;t make a big deal of all this if this blog and many of its commentors didn&#8217;t make a habit of South-bashing.  Oh, and I realize Powell said he was from the South too.  (By the way, I like Virginia and the U.S. South, but, in case you&#8217;re wondering, I&#8217;m not some neo-Confederate type and hate all that damn rebel flag they go on and on about.)  So, think what you want, enjoy making your comments if it makes you happy, but I backed up my responses.</p>
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		<title>By: Spekkio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spekkio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Granby, normally I&#039;d be inclined to agree with you. I&#039;m the sort of person who would love to see citations on everything - blog postings, news articles, etc. And I understand that generalizations are dangerous territory. But I have to take Mr. Powell&#039;s side here. 

Even one lousy library reflects poorly on the state. And that isn&#039;t just a swipe at Virginia - Pennsylvania has some poor libraries, too. And the budget problems with the big library systems - the Carnegie Library in the Pittsburgh area and the Free Library in the Philadelphia area - also reflect badly on those cities and the state as a whole.

For an example, check out the web page for the Saltsburg Free Library: bssd.org/sfl

Their page was last updated in 2005. There&#039;s no dedicated library building. Their e-mail address goes through a local internet service provider. There&#039;s no OPAC and they have shockingly short hours of operation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granby, normally I&#8217;d be inclined to agree with you. I&#8217;m the sort of person who would love to see citations on everything &#8211; blog postings, news articles, etc. And I understand that generalizations are dangerous territory. But I have to take Mr. Powell&#8217;s side here. </p>
<p>Even one lousy library reflects poorly on the state. And that isn&#8217;t just a swipe at Virginia &#8211; Pennsylvania has some poor libraries, too. And the budget problems with the big library systems &#8211; the Carnegie Library in the Pittsburgh area and the Free Library in the Philadelphia area &#8211; also reflect badly on those cities and the state as a whole.</p>
<p>For an example, check out the web page for the Saltsburg Free Library: bssd.org/sfl</p>
<p>Their page was last updated in 2005. There&#8217;s no dedicated library building. Their e-mail address goes through a local internet service provider. There&#8217;s no OPAC and they have shockingly short hours of operation.</p>
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		<title>By: Granby at Vellinghausen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Granby at Vellinghausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Powell,

Once again you apparently have little to no idea what you&#039;re talking about but insist still on levying your unsubstantiated criticism.  You say &quot;If a poor area cannot afford good libraries ... then the state as a whole should provide them.  There are states that do that and states that don’t.&quot;  

Well, Virginia is one that does, or at least helps provide them, so again your criticism has little basis.  You can find extensive documentation with figures county-by-county/city-by-city on the &quot;State Aid to Virginia Public Libraries&quot; page on the Library of Virginia website.

So, at some point people have to stop passing the buck do they?  Well, at some point people also have to stop spouting off criticism centered on vague generalizations completely at odds with easily verifiable basic fact.  You&#039;ve done this twice now and twice I have refuted you.  Why are you so focused on levying criticism at a whole state&#039;s attitude towards libraries to the point that you&#039;ll do it even in such contravention to fact?  One might wonder if your motive is not something other than discussing the issue at hand.  Perhaps not, but one wonders.

Say what you want and express any opinion you want, but if you&#039;re going to criticize others then get your stuff straight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powell,</p>
<p>Once again you apparently have little to no idea what you&#8217;re talking about but insist still on levying your unsubstantiated criticism.  You say &#8220;If a poor area cannot afford good libraries &#8230; then the state as a whole should provide them.  There are states that do that and states that don’t.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Well, Virginia is one that does, or at least helps provide them, so again your criticism has little basis.  You can find extensive documentation with figures county-by-county/city-by-city on the &#8220;State Aid to Virginia Public Libraries&#8221; page on the Library of Virginia website.</p>
<p>So, at some point people have to stop passing the buck do they?  Well, at some point people also have to stop spouting off criticism centered on vague generalizations completely at odds with easily verifiable basic fact.  You&#8217;ve done this twice now and twice I have refuted you.  Why are you so focused on levying criticism at a whole state&#8217;s attitude towards libraries to the point that you&#8217;ll do it even in such contravention to fact?  One might wonder if your motive is not something other than discussing the issue at hand.  Perhaps not, but one wonders.</p>
<p>Say what you want and express any opinion you want, but if you&#8217;re going to criticize others then get your stuff straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randal Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Granby,

I was referring to the larger community, not just the community of a given town or county.  There are vast discrepancies of wealth among towns and counties.  That’s why I feel that it is a state issue.  If a poor area cannot afford good libraries, schools, and fire departments then the state as a whole should provide them.  There are states that do that and states that don’t.  And yes, that does reflect the community of the state.  At some point people have to stop passing the buck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Granby,</p>
<p>I was referring to the larger community, not just the community of a given town or county.  There are vast discrepancies of wealth among towns and counties.  That’s why I feel that it is a state issue.  If a poor area cannot afford good libraries, schools, and fire departments then the state as a whole should provide them.  There are states that do that and states that don’t.  And yes, that does reflect the community of the state.  At some point people have to stop passing the buck.</p>
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