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		<title>By: Zach</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/01/26/its-all-good/comment-page-1/#comment-28957</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 02:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AL, while I agree that discussing ideas is usually more interesting and productive than critiquing and defending one another&#039;s personalities tend to be, you were asking for trouble by using that lady as the focal point of your post about hipness and its relevance (or lack thereof) during the job search. Even though you didn&#039;t name her outright, your cold-eyed, skeptical analysis of the topic centered around someone who now has every right to feel personally humiliated because her character, intelligence and career perspective have now been thrown open for the unwashed masses to dissect at leisure, as though she were some victim of a Kafkaesque judgment, anonymously rendered and horrible in its finality. 

None of which is to say that you are wrong to criticize the profession for a myopically positive-thinking acquiescence to the occasional silly trend. But you also should come to expect that dishing it out publicly gives your targets a right to get their feelings hurt and react to it all. That&#039;s only fair. 

Surely using broader societal phenomena as jumping-off points for the discussion would not only lead to fewer bruised egos, but would also incorporate trends that are more pervasive and therefore more relevant on a large scale? 
 
And for someone as apparently bright as you are, claiming that you were protecting her identity from the evil Google crawlers is not true. You linked to her blog and then all of your commenters were free to loose the woman&#039;s name to the four winds. Then, realizing that you had inadvertently exposed her to a public viewing etched for all eternity in Internet posterity, you warned us that anonymity is a valuable thing in a climate like today&#039;s, where privacy no longer exists and our job prospects hang on whether or not we share the same surname as some kook. 

 Also, I would point out that there certainly must be some librarians who are enamored of youth and hipness, because there&#039;s no other way I can explain why older librarians are impressed by applicants who can use Facebook and Twitter -- technologies and modes of communication that anyone can use. And there&#039;s also a lot to be said for the notion that being friendly, energetic and approachable are professional traits every bit as relevant in this field as cataloging know-how or mad database skillz are. She should be able to play up her possession of such traits, don&#039;t you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL, while I agree that discussing ideas is usually more interesting and productive than critiquing and defending one another&#8217;s personalities tend to be, you were asking for trouble by using that lady as the focal point of your post about hipness and its relevance (or lack thereof) during the job search. Even though you didn&#8217;t name her outright, your cold-eyed, skeptical analysis of the topic centered around someone who now has every right to feel personally humiliated because her character, intelligence and career perspective have now been thrown open for the unwashed masses to dissect at leisure, as though she were some victim of a Kafkaesque judgment, anonymously rendered and horrible in its finality. </p>
<p>None of which is to say that you are wrong to criticize the profession for a myopically positive-thinking acquiescence to the occasional silly trend. But you also should come to expect that dishing it out publicly gives your targets a right to get their feelings hurt and react to it all. That&#8217;s only fair. </p>
<p>Surely using broader societal phenomena as jumping-off points for the discussion would not only lead to fewer bruised egos, but would also incorporate trends that are more pervasive and therefore more relevant on a large scale? </p>
<p>And for someone as apparently bright as you are, claiming that you were protecting her identity from the evil Google crawlers is not true. You linked to her blog and then all of your commenters were free to loose the woman&#8217;s name to the four winds. Then, realizing that you had inadvertently exposed her to a public viewing etched for all eternity in Internet posterity, you warned us that anonymity is a valuable thing in a climate like today&#8217;s, where privacy no longer exists and our job prospects hang on whether or not we share the same surname as some kook. </p>
<p> Also, I would point out that there certainly must be some librarians who are enamored of youth and hipness, because there&#8217;s no other way I can explain why older librarians are impressed by applicants who can use Facebook and Twitter &#8212; technologies and modes of communication that anyone can use. And there&#8217;s also a lot to be said for the notion that being friendly, energetic and approachable are professional traits every bit as relevant in this field as cataloging know-how or mad database skillz are. She should be able to play up her possession of such traits, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Spekkio</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/01/26/its-all-good/comment-page-1/#comment-28955</link>
		<dc:creator>Spekkio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 01:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, how I love watching people show how truly illogical they can be, as so many did in the &quot;discussion&quot; of the previous blog entry in question.

Now, look...I&#039;ll admit that when I see a logical fallacy, I usually discount everything that the writer did before and after. If you resort to a fallacy, you fail. I think we all need to do a better job of calling out fallacies. Shout &quot;OBJECTION!&quot; like the lawyers do on TV (or...and I shouldn&#039;t say this, because AL won&#039;t like it...video games!) and point out the fallacy and then it gets &quot;overruled.&quot; And that&#039;s it.

That said, I, too, read back over AL&#039;s blog entry in question - and no, there was not a single ad hominem in there. Not one. If I&#039;d been around for the fun, I would&#039;ve pointed that out sooner...not that anyone would listen. It&#039;s so much easier to lob around crap than try to think your way to victory in an argument...or worse, deal with the possibility that you might actually be wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, how I love watching people show how truly illogical they can be, as so many did in the &#8220;discussion&#8221; of the previous blog entry in question.</p>
<p>Now, look&#8230;I&#8217;ll admit that when I see a logical fallacy, I usually discount everything that the writer did before and after. If you resort to a fallacy, you fail. I think we all need to do a better job of calling out fallacies. Shout &#8220;OBJECTION!&#8221; like the lawyers do on TV (or&#8230;and I shouldn&#8217;t say this, because AL won&#8217;t like it&#8230;video games!) and point out the fallacy and then it gets &#8220;overruled.&#8221; And that&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>That said, I, too, read back over AL&#8217;s blog entry in question &#8211; and no, there was not a single ad hominem in there. Not one. If I&#8217;d been around for the fun, I would&#8217;ve pointed that out sooner&#8230;not that anyone would listen. It&#8217;s so much easier to lob around crap than try to think your way to victory in an argument&#8230;or worse, deal with the possibility that you might actually be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Guybrarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/01/26/its-all-good/comment-page-1/#comment-28932</link>
		<dc:creator>Guybrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 18:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My favorite bit from Hirstute:

&quot;...and not very intelligent breath.&quot;

Awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite bit from Hirstute:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;and not very intelligent breath.&#8221;</p>
<p>Awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Jan 2011 01:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your answer, Will. I don&#039;t think I&#039;m qualified to comment on it because I don&#039;t work in reader&#039;s advisory and like ebooks. I appreciate the clarification, however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your answer, Will. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m qualified to comment on it because I don&#8217;t work in reader&#8217;s advisory and like ebooks. I appreciate the clarification, however.</p>
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		<title>By: will manley</title>
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		<dc:creator>will manley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 21:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kim...all I&#039;m saying is that the big debate in the library world today is print books vs. e-books.  This is a format issue; not a content issue.  We don&#039;t seem to care about content anymore; just machines. If we continue on this path, we won&#039;t be readers advisors and reference librarians; we&#039;ll be tech workers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim&#8230;all I&#8217;m saying is that the big debate in the library world today is print books vs. e-books.  This is a format issue; not a content issue.  We don&#8217;t seem to care about content anymore; just machines. If we continue on this path, we won&#8217;t be readers advisors and reference librarians; we&#8217;ll be tech workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 20:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will, I honestly don&#039;t think you believe this, as least not as I understand the medium being the message. I&#039;ve  only been in the field for a few years. It took me almost four months to find a job (before the economy crashed), and I had several years experience, including a couple internships. Once I started interviewing, the interviews were all hardball, all five of them,including at the place where I was hired. No one cared if I was &quot;hip,&quot; young and attractive; they wanted to know why they should hire me, how I made a good fit with their organization and what I could do for them right now (not they for me). Other successful job finders in my class reported similar experiences -- no one I know of had warm and fuzzy interviews.  Further, for a few years I kept up with what happened to my classmates. Those who did not gain work experience related to what they wanted to do (before graduation) did not find jobs. Maybe some of the other recent prior Recession graduates have had different experiences than I&#039;m mentioning, meaning that my sample size is small and therefore not necessarily reflective of the profession as a whole. 

I&#039;m not saying that it&#039;s not important to keep up with current trends, particularly in technology, and culture, but that&#039;s not the same thing as style ruling over all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, I honestly don&#8217;t think you believe this, as least not as I understand the medium being the message. I&#8217;ve  only been in the field for a few years. It took me almost four months to find a job (before the economy crashed), and I had several years experience, including a couple internships. Once I started interviewing, the interviews were all hardball, all five of them,including at the place where I was hired. No one cared if I was &#8220;hip,&#8221; young and attractive; they wanted to know why they should hire me, how I made a good fit with their organization and what I could do for them right now (not they for me). Other successful job finders in my class reported similar experiences &#8212; no one I know of had warm and fuzzy interviews.  Further, for a few years I kept up with what happened to my classmates. Those who did not gain work experience related to what they wanted to do (before graduation) did not find jobs. Maybe some of the other recent prior Recession graduates have had different experiences than I&#8217;m mentioning, meaning that my sample size is small and therefore not necessarily reflective of the profession as a whole. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that it&#8217;s not important to keep up with current trends, particularly in technology, and culture, but that&#8217;s not the same thing as style ruling over all.</p>
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		<title>By: LALibrarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/01/26/its-all-good/comment-page-1/#comment-28847</link>
		<dc:creator>LALibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 19:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They don&#039;t write well either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t write well either.</p>
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		<title>By: will manley</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/01/26/its-all-good/comment-page-1/#comment-28710</link>
		<dc:creator>will manley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 19:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Folks, unfortunately today the medium is the message. Style rules!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, unfortunately today the medium is the message. Style rules!</p>
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		<title>By: Young Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Young Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Retiring Librarian - That&#039;s excellent!  I&#039;m tired of seeing so many positions disappear with retirements.  They&#039;ll rehire two part-timers to replace a full-timer and so on.  

Kim - That&#039;s my point entirely, but you&#039;re delivery was much better - Substance over Style.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Retiring Librarian &#8211; That&#8217;s excellent!  I&#8217;m tired of seeing so many positions disappear with retirements.  They&#8217;ll rehire two part-timers to replace a full-timer and so on.  </p>
<p>Kim &#8211; That&#8217;s my point entirely, but you&#8217;re delivery was much better &#8211; Substance over Style.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t work in a public library, but have an older friend who does. She hates message boards, her name for blogs, so isn&#039;t &quot;hip,&quot; I guess. She is very good at her job, which is geared toward developing early literacy with small kids. She says that most people in management are  concerned with how well the new person can fill a position with little training. Everyone is overworked and no one has time to teach the new employee how to do his/her job so prior experience is important. Tech skills are also important. Substance beats style when landing a job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t work in a public library, but have an older friend who does. She hates message boards, her name for blogs, so isn&#8217;t &#8220;hip,&#8221; I guess. She is very good at her job, which is geared toward developing early literacy with small kids. She says that most people in management are  concerned with how well the new person can fill a position with little training. Everyone is overworked and no one has time to teach the new employee how to do his/her job so prior experience is important. Tech skills are also important. Substance beats style when landing a job.</p>
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