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	<title>Comments on: Libraries for People Who Don&#8217;t Need Libraries</title>
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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: LittleTownLibrarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/02/14/libraries-for-people-who-dont-need-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-30383</link>
		<dc:creator>LittleTownLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about tax assistance, legal forms, connecting people with other social services, helping parents feel more confident about reading with their children, assistance searching for employment, ESL classes, summer reading programs and so much more that libraries now do...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about tax assistance, legal forms, connecting people with other social services, helping parents feel more confident about reading with their children, assistance searching for employment, ESL classes, summer reading programs and so much more that libraries now do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randal Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 22:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with everything KidLib said, especially with regard to libraries as cultural capital.  Having a good university around helps with cultural capital too, because of the accompanying libraries, museums, et cetera.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with everything KidLib said, especially with regard to libraries as cultural capital.  Having a good university around helps with cultural capital too, because of the accompanying libraries, museums, et cetera.</p>
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		<title>By: FinallyaLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>FinallyaLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately, most librarians come to the profession from public service backgrounds and have spent little career time in business (the &quot;REAL WORLD&quot;). I could easily develop and run a marketing program to connect my library with various groups since I was a commission only sales person for many years. Our system does have a decent PR department but most systems do not or throw the job on librarians with no sales experience.

Most people I&#039;ve met who work in public service positions really don&#039;t know how good they have it. Try keeping your job when it&#039;s based soley on the $$$$ you bring in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, most librarians come to the profession from public service backgrounds and have spent little career time in business (the &#8220;REAL WORLD&#8221;). I could easily develop and run a marketing program to connect my library with various groups since I was a commission only sales person for many years. Our system does have a decent PR department but most systems do not or throw the job on librarians with no sales experience.</p>
<p>Most people I&#8217;ve met who work in public service positions really don&#8217;t know how good they have it. Try keeping your job when it&#8217;s based soley on the $$$$ you bring in.</p>
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		<title>By: KidLib</title>
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		<dc:creator>KidLib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 06:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is a really astute question.  I&#039;ve seen a lot of odd things in the desperate attempts to &quot;market,&quot; but most people involved--myself included--don&#039;t have a great idea on how to market to people who aren&#039;t already listening.  And even there, we&#039;re not doing all that well, frankly--library databases have been around for a couple of decades now, but every week, I have patrons who are utterly shocked to discover that we subscribe to databases which will give them full text access at home to popular magazines and scholarly journals.  The message has never gotten through--including to teachers, who sternly instruct their students that they can&#039;t use the internet, and didn&#039;t make the caveat that databases aren&#039;t &quot;internet sources,&quot; per se, just sources that have been digitized and subscribed to.

One point that ought to be important is that a city&#039;s cultural capital--including libraries, museums, parks, and other cultural services--makes the city more attractive to people including those considering where to base their businesses.  Like the schools in a neighborhood, libraries and museums are part of a package that you use to sell your city above the one down the road.  In other words, we aren&#039;t talking about a competition between Library, Inc. and Barnes and Noble; we&#039;re talking about a tool in the competition between East Nowhere and South Wilderness, which are otherwise identical options.  Even people who don&#039;t necessarily *use* the library take pride in *having* the library.  It may not be terribly logical, but it&#039;s true.  People like to brag about how great their towns&#039; institutions are, and what amazing things they own.  (I worked at a major urban library--after the BECPL, which is also a good library--and gave tours to inner city kids who&#039;d never been in the fancy part of the library before, and you could see the visible rise of the shoulders, the eyes getting wider, a certain pride in the step when they realized, &quot;I&#039;m part of this.&quot;)

And yes, children&#039;s literacy programs are very big.  Unlike the schools, library programs don&#039;t measure and horsewhip literacy education, but instead try to teach love of books and reading through shared experiences, making books available that kids might not have thought to look for on their own, and creating a pleasant association with books.  It&#039;s a luxury to not have the pressure of only reading books your parents can afford to buy.

(I do have one quibble with your presentation, though--upper middle class parents use the library a LOT with their kids.  They can afford to buy books, but even being able to afford them doesn&#039;t mean that they want to buy the books for every single report from kindergarten to twelfth grade.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a really astute question.  I&#8217;ve seen a lot of odd things in the desperate attempts to &#8220;market,&#8221; but most people involved&#8211;myself included&#8211;don&#8217;t have a great idea on how to market to people who aren&#8217;t already listening.  And even there, we&#8217;re not doing all that well, frankly&#8211;library databases have been around for a couple of decades now, but every week, I have patrons who are utterly shocked to discover that we subscribe to databases which will give them full text access at home to popular magazines and scholarly journals.  The message has never gotten through&#8211;including to teachers, who sternly instruct their students that they can&#8217;t use the internet, and didn&#8217;t make the caveat that databases aren&#8217;t &#8220;internet sources,&#8221; per se, just sources that have been digitized and subscribed to.</p>
<p>One point that ought to be important is that a city&#8217;s cultural capital&#8211;including libraries, museums, parks, and other cultural services&#8211;makes the city more attractive to people including those considering where to base their businesses.  Like the schools in a neighborhood, libraries and museums are part of a package that you use to sell your city above the one down the road.  In other words, we aren&#8217;t talking about a competition between Library, Inc. and Barnes and Noble; we&#8217;re talking about a tool in the competition between East Nowhere and South Wilderness, which are otherwise identical options.  Even people who don&#8217;t necessarily *use* the library take pride in *having* the library.  It may not be terribly logical, but it&#8217;s true.  People like to brag about how great their towns&#8217; institutions are, and what amazing things they own.  (I worked at a major urban library&#8211;after the BECPL, which is also a good library&#8211;and gave tours to inner city kids who&#8217;d never been in the fancy part of the library before, and you could see the visible rise of the shoulders, the eyes getting wider, a certain pride in the step when they realized, &#8220;I&#8217;m part of this.&#8221;)</p>
<p>And yes, children&#8217;s literacy programs are very big.  Unlike the schools, library programs don&#8217;t measure and horsewhip literacy education, but instead try to teach love of books and reading through shared experiences, making books available that kids might not have thought to look for on their own, and creating a pleasant association with books.  It&#8217;s a luxury to not have the pressure of only reading books your parents can afford to buy.</p>
<p>(I do have one quibble with your presentation, though&#8211;upper middle class parents use the library a LOT with their kids.  They can afford to buy books, but even being able to afford them doesn&#8217;t mean that they want to buy the books for every single report from kindergarten to twelfth grade.)</p>
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		<title>By: FinallyaLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>FinallyaLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual, AL, you have exposed the real question and the real answer. I think one way that would tap into current social movement is to focus on all the other valuable information sources available at the library, or better yet, from their website, that answer the questions middle class folks (parents) need. Things like the best rated (insert latest gizmo or appliance here), medical questions, and college ratings.

Since they are heavy users of The Net and get much of their information from there, libraries should find ways to let them know the VALUE of THEIR library&#039;s website by (gasp) selling the library face to face at meetings these folks tend to attend. Homeschooling groups, PTA meetings, Girl/Boy Scouts, Sports Leagues, and even PLACES OF WORSHIP. Yes, face-2-face Selling at churches, that should curl the hair of the twopointopians!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, AL, you have exposed the real question and the real answer. I think one way that would tap into current social movement is to focus on all the other valuable information sources available at the library, or better yet, from their website, that answer the questions middle class folks (parents) need. Things like the best rated (insert latest gizmo or appliance here), medical questions, and college ratings.</p>
<p>Since they are heavy users of The Net and get much of their information from there, libraries should find ways to let them know the VALUE of THEIR library&#8217;s website by (gasp) selling the library face to face at meetings these folks tend to attend. Homeschooling groups, PTA meetings, Girl/Boy Scouts, Sports Leagues, and even PLACES OF WORSHIP. Yes, face-2-face Selling at churches, that should curl the hair of the twopointopians!</p>
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		<title>By: Librarylover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Librarylover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 20:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AL . . . Thanks for publicising the Queenstown Library&#039;s blind date with books initiative. I think it&#039;s a great idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL . . . Thanks for publicising the Queenstown Library&#8217;s blind date with books initiative. I think it&#8217;s a great idea.</p>
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		<title>By: ChickenLittle</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/02/14/libraries-for-people-who-dont-need-libraries/comment-page-1/#comment-30090</link>
		<dc:creator>ChickenLittle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 15:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AL...interesting article! I think the Public Library system either finds a way to &quot;re-boot&quot; what it does, or need to become prepared to turn out the lights. City officials are asking all over the nation, how many people are using these expensive facilities?? Librarians invariably answer, &quot;our circulation numbers are way up!!&quot;.....the city official responds, &quot;that&#039;s not the question I asked, because it&#039;s fairly likely in a mathematical sense that fewer people are borrowing more materials!!&quot; How many people are walking in the doors of a public library??.....fewer and fewer, so when a City official has to cut either the budget for a swimming pool or a library, guess who will win out??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL&#8230;interesting article! I think the Public Library system either finds a way to &#8220;re-boot&#8221; what it does, or need to become prepared to turn out the lights. City officials are asking all over the nation, how many people are using these expensive facilities?? Librarians invariably answer, &#8220;our circulation numbers are way up!!&#8221;&#8230;..the city official responds, &#8220;that&#8217;s not the question I asked, because it&#8217;s fairly likely in a mathematical sense that fewer people are borrowing more materials!!&#8221; How many people are walking in the doors of a public library??&#8230;..fewer and fewer, so when a City official has to cut either the budget for a swimming pool or a library, guess who will win out??</p>
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		<title>By: will manley</title>
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		<dc:creator>will manley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AL...I&#039;m not sure that it&#039;s worth the time, expense, or effort to try to convince people who don&#039;t need libraries to support them with one exception: funding authorities.  Many funding authories do not use libraries; many do.  The key is to convince them that their political future is at least partially dependent upon supporting the library.  You do this by showing them that your library serves a high percentage of the population that votes.  My experience, practically speaking, is that the best segment to target for political advocacy are the high end parents.  These people are articulate and demanding and will do anything for their children including demanding quality children&#039;s services.  These parents are gregarious and determined.  Effective political advocacy focuses on effective target groups.  High end parents are the most effective target group.  Do they absolutely need the library?  No, not really.  They are usually affluent enough to buy whatever Junior needs and then some (how about an ithingy at age 3), but they also want a community that puts kids first because they always want the personal security of living in the best possible place for their little ones to be successful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure that it&#8217;s worth the time, expense, or effort to try to convince people who don&#8217;t need libraries to support them with one exception: funding authorities.  Many funding authories do not use libraries; many do.  The key is to convince them that their political future is at least partially dependent upon supporting the library.  You do this by showing them that your library serves a high percentage of the population that votes.  My experience, practically speaking, is that the best segment to target for political advocacy are the high end parents.  These people are articulate and demanding and will do anything for their children including demanding quality children&#8217;s services.  These parents are gregarious and determined.  Effective political advocacy focuses on effective target groups.  High end parents are the most effective target group.  Do they absolutely need the library?  No, not really.  They are usually affluent enough to buy whatever Junior needs and then some (how about an ithingy at age 3), but they also want a community that puts kids first because they always want the personal security of living in the best possible place for their little ones to be successful.</p>
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