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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 17:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about library-run, country-wide &lt;a href=&quot;http://drouhard.net/wp/wibraries/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Super Wifi&lt;/a&gt;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about library-run, country-wide <a href="http://drouhard.net/wp/wibraries/" rel="nofollow">Super Wifi</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: I Like Books</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Like Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 18:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My first rule of humanity is that whatever your job, hobby, or special interest is, you&#039;re going to think it&#039;s more important than other people will.

Now, you might know that what you do is unimportant. Or, for people like firefighters or doctors, it might truly be important. They&#039;re still going to think it&#039;s more important than other people do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first rule of humanity is that whatever your job, hobby, or special interest is, you&#8217;re going to think it&#8217;s more important than other people will.</p>
<p>Now, you might know that what you do is unimportant. Or, for people like firefighters or doctors, it might truly be important. They&#8217;re still going to think it&#8217;s more important than other people do.</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randal Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I completely agree that the main purpose of public libraries should be literacy and education.  In terms of education, I do think that technology-education should be an integral part of what public libraries do; I am not opposed to the techshop-post’s spirit of introducing people to technology that they might otherwise not have access to.  If you look at what sets the high-tech entrepreneurs apart from others in their generation, besides innate curiosity and probably higher-than-average intelligence, a unifying factor is that all of them had access to computers when few others did.  They started early and progressed fast in their understanding of developing technologies.

I disagree with the techshop-post that traditional library services are no longer as important as they once were.  I think that they are, and would like to see the fundamentals substantially improved.  I think that there are ways to provide traditional library services, and do a better job of introducing people to technology as well -- without engaging in the vacuity that AL rightly rails against.  

I good way to introduce people to technology would be to provide access to good computers that people can use for longer than 30 minutes.  Public libraries need to be more consistent in providing good technology classes for the community.  I hear that computer programmers past the age of 30 are put out to pasture…why not hire one of them to run the computer section and give free classes to the community?  I think that, in many cases, the most qualified people available for a given job are not hired by libraries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree that the main purpose of public libraries should be literacy and education.  In terms of education, I do think that technology-education should be an integral part of what public libraries do; I am not opposed to the techshop-post’s spirit of introducing people to technology that they might otherwise not have access to.  If you look at what sets the high-tech entrepreneurs apart from others in their generation, besides innate curiosity and probably higher-than-average intelligence, a unifying factor is that all of them had access to computers when few others did.  They started early and progressed fast in their understanding of developing technologies.</p>
<p>I disagree with the techshop-post that traditional library services are no longer as important as they once were.  I think that they are, and would like to see the fundamentals substantially improved.  I think that there are ways to provide traditional library services, and do a better job of introducing people to technology as well &#8212; without engaging in the vacuity that AL rightly rails against.  </p>
<p>I good way to introduce people to technology would be to provide access to good computers that people can use for longer than 30 minutes.  Public libraries need to be more consistent in providing good technology classes for the community.  I hear that computer programmers past the age of 30 are put out to pasture…why not hire one of them to run the computer section and give free classes to the community?  I think that, in many cases, the most qualified people available for a given job are not hired by libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat and Grumpy</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/03/28/retooling-libraries-indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-33128</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat and Grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[back @ Nate Hill Though I&#039;ve been at this game a long time, I so sympathize with your comments about not being able to get management, let alone &quot;old-time&quot; librarians, to understand the importance of embracing the new technology. Two short stories: 1985, I developed a macro in WP to automate labelling, stripping the unneeded data from OCLC files and formatting the call number for spines.  Had to lay out my own money for labels and develop th whole project on my own time.  Then when it halved labelling time, no one in the department even acknowledged it. 1998, returning to academic from public library, I was introduced to the department&#039;s &quot;Internet Guru.&quot;  Guy didn&#039;t even know you could open multiple instantiations of Netscape, which at the time, was one of killer features of that browser in comparison to IE.  Worse still, the guy had been in the job for 20 years then and is still there now (or last time I looked).  Wonder what tabs have done to him?
And all the job openings where I live are at the top, so we&#039;ve got to wait a cycle at least before we can your &quot;young librarians&quot; into position.  But can they teach?  And will library boards let them?  Libraries should equal learning, I agree, but I just am not convinced most librarians want to teach, even if anyone would let them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back @ Nate Hill Though I&#8217;ve been at this game a long time, I so sympathize with your comments about not being able to get management, let alone &#8220;old-time&#8221; librarians, to understand the importance of embracing the new technology. Two short stories: 1985, I developed a macro in WP to automate labelling, stripping the unneeded data from OCLC files and formatting the call number for spines.  Had to lay out my own money for labels and develop th whole project on my own time.  Then when it halved labelling time, no one in the department even acknowledged it. 1998, returning to academic from public library, I was introduced to the department&#8217;s &#8220;Internet Guru.&#8221;  Guy didn&#8217;t even know you could open multiple instantiations of Netscape, which at the time, was one of killer features of that browser in comparison to IE.  Worse still, the guy had been in the job for 20 years then and is still there now (or last time I looked).  Wonder what tabs have done to him?<br />
And all the job openings where I live are at the top, so we&#8217;ve got to wait a cycle at least before we can your &#8220;young librarians&#8221; into position.  But can they teach?  And will library boards let them?  Libraries should equal learning, I agree, but I just am not convinced most librarians want to teach, even if anyone would let them.</p>
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		<title>By: olly</title>
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		<dc:creator>olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great posts lately. I like this blog so much more when you leave out the contempt and vitriol towards librarianship and instead criticize constuctively and include statements about what librarianship does right. 

Libraries are about literacy and education through &lt;i&gt;reading&lt;/i&gt;. Libraries are about reading, first and foremost. Books, periodicals, community information, reference, instruction, reader&#039;s advisory, and storytimes are #1 [note: I count graphic novels, maps, photography, and the like here as well].

Second, libraries are now about being the only place people can use computers and the internet for free. I&#039;m OK with that. Using the internet is now vital for most people, and many people who do use the library are using the internet for serious/important purposes (taxes, jobs, keeping in touch). Let&#039;s serve that community need happily.

The third and last priority is non-reading education and entertainment. You gotta be selective with this one. There are important aspects to it: adult and childrens programming, resume and job searching help, college prep, some music and documentaries, DIY classes, and so on. There are also trivial aspects to it: Hollywood blockbusters, video games, surfing youtube, spending hours on Facebook, etc. 

This techshop idea grows out of a third-level priority, and moves it to a second or first-level priority. That amounts to a wholesale redefinition of libraries. As you argue correctly, the only reason for such a move is if the first-level priority is irrelevant, and it is not.

On the other hand, if US society actually does start (continue?) to devalue reading, and reading does become a 2nd or 3rd level priority, this may be something to revisit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posts lately. I like this blog so much more when you leave out the contempt and vitriol towards librarianship and instead criticize constuctively and include statements about what librarianship does right. </p>
<p>Libraries are about literacy and education through <i>reading</i>. Libraries are about reading, first and foremost. Books, periodicals, community information, reference, instruction, reader&#8217;s advisory, and storytimes are #1 [note: I count graphic novels, maps, photography, and the like here as well].</p>
<p>Second, libraries are now about being the only place people can use computers and the internet for free. I&#8217;m OK with that. Using the internet is now vital for most people, and many people who do use the library are using the internet for serious/important purposes (taxes, jobs, keeping in touch). Let&#8217;s serve that community need happily.</p>
<p>The third and last priority is non-reading education and entertainment. You gotta be selective with this one. There are important aspects to it: adult and childrens programming, resume and job searching help, college prep, some music and documentaries, DIY classes, and so on. There are also trivial aspects to it: Hollywood blockbusters, video games, surfing youtube, spending hours on Facebook, etc. </p>
<p>This techshop idea grows out of a third-level priority, and moves it to a second or first-level priority. That amounts to a wholesale redefinition of libraries. As you argue correctly, the only reason for such a move is if the first-level priority is irrelevant, and it is not.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if US society actually does start (continue?) to devalue reading, and reading does become a 2nd or 3rd level priority, this may be something to revisit.</p>
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		<title>By: FinallyaLibrarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/03/28/retooling-libraries-indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-33116</link>
		<dc:creator>FinallyaLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The blog post also cites a Wikipedia article that lists tool lending libraries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tool-lending_libraries) but very few seem to be normal public libraies or are currently open. So after all the data presented it seems tool lending doesn&#039;t work so well in a public library setting. Perhaps for urban renewal tool bank operations, yes.

Other thoughts are where would we possibly store all these tools? (at my branch we barely have room as it is). Who would clean the tools when they are returned? Are we to test the inspect and test each tool when returned and before check-out? 

Another aspect is keeping track of all the parts associated with tools. Just like we put stickers on books indicating the CD is missing, can you see where a drill set would have a sticker saying &quot;MISSING 2 bits, 3/8 &amp; 1/4&quot;.

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

This idea sounds great to folks that never have owned and used tools. So, the few librarians qualified to take on this project (like me) would be the ones refusing to do it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog post also cites a Wikipedia article that lists tool lending libraries (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tool-lending_libraries" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tool-lending_libraries</a>) but very few seem to be normal public libraies or are currently open. So after all the data presented it seems tool lending doesn&#8217;t work so well in a public library setting. Perhaps for urban renewal tool bank operations, yes.</p>
<p>Other thoughts are where would we possibly store all these tools? (at my branch we barely have room as it is). Who would clean the tools when they are returned? Are we to test the inspect and test each tool when returned and before check-out? </p>
<p>Another aspect is keeping track of all the parts associated with tools. Just like we put stickers on books indicating the CD is missing, can you see where a drill set would have a sticker saying &#8220;MISSING 2 bits, 3/8 &amp; 1/4&#8243;.</p>
<p>AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!</p>
<p>This idea sounds great to folks that never have owned and used tools. So, the few librarians qualified to take on this project (like me) would be the ones refusing to do it!</p>
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		<title>By: gatoloco</title>
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		<dc:creator>gatoloco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In one of my most helpful courses in library school we discussed technology management, then went into a real library and worked on hardware and networking. This type of constructivist learning is very helpful. With correct course design a techshop could be vital to expanding technological literacy. I usually agree you AL, but I cringe when I see librarians dismiss certain people or skills sets because they are foreign to them (such as bashing frat boys or people who use tools).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one of my most helpful courses in library school we discussed technology management, then went into a real library and worked on hardware and networking. This type of constructivist learning is very helpful. With correct course design a techshop could be vital to expanding technological literacy. I usually agree you AL, but I cringe when I see librarians dismiss certain people or skills sets because they are foreign to them (such as bashing frat boys or people who use tools).</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Fat and Grumpy,

I hear you.

Actually, the sad thing is that there&#039;s plenty of librarians or &#039;were-going-to-be-librarians-til-something-better-came-along&#039; out there with great interpersonal skills but from what I&#039;ve seen a lot of them leave library school and can&#039;t get a rewarding, challenging job in a public library because there aren&#039;t any wonderful entry level jobs out there. I&#039;ve been in libraries a while now, and it is way too much of a struggle to find jobs that actually exercise or push my skills (I&#039;m really lucky to have a good one now).  Folks graduate from library school with a great deal of useful, cutting edge knowledge and educational theory/teaching skills and whatnot only to find that if they take a job in a public library they are likely to be &#039;trained&#039; (see also: put to sleep) on a reference desk and asked to do boring work when likely they have a whole lot more they could offer.  Then the budget gets cut, and since they were the last hired they are the first out the door and....

When I was reading about the techshop thing and thinking about staff skillsets, my thoughts immediately jumped to this bizarre predicament some libraries find themselves in which they want to open up computer centers that offer more than just an outdated version of Internet Explorer and Office 97 and they *don&#039;t have staff that could operate them*!!!  The techshop is a worst-case scenario of untrained fools slicing off fingers with bandsaws, but meanwhile we can&#039;t even offer Photoshop in the library.

Anyways, @Fat and Grumpy, don&#039;t be too hard on the librarians because there&#039;s a lot of great ones out there who want jobs and want to do all of these things- they just aren&#039;t getting the opportunity right now.  They&#039;ve all been laid off over the last couple of years, or they are about to graduate and are headed into a rough job market. We need to find ways to employ them and let them do what they know how to do... we shouldn&#039;t be maintaining, we need to be pushing ahead... and who knows, maybe we do need some 3D printers just to shake things up.  

For the record: 3D printers are awesome.  Internet Explorer 6 is not awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fat and Grumpy,</p>
<p>I hear you.</p>
<p>Actually, the sad thing is that there&#8217;s plenty of librarians or &#8216;were-going-to-be-librarians-til-something-better-came-along&#8217; out there with great interpersonal skills but from what I&#8217;ve seen a lot of them leave library school and can&#8217;t get a rewarding, challenging job in a public library because there aren&#8217;t any wonderful entry level jobs out there. I&#8217;ve been in libraries a while now, and it is way too much of a struggle to find jobs that actually exercise or push my skills (I&#8217;m really lucky to have a good one now).  Folks graduate from library school with a great deal of useful, cutting edge knowledge and educational theory/teaching skills and whatnot only to find that if they take a job in a public library they are likely to be &#8216;trained&#8217; (see also: put to sleep) on a reference desk and asked to do boring work when likely they have a whole lot more they could offer.  Then the budget gets cut, and since they were the last hired they are the first out the door and&#8230;.</p>
<p>When I was reading about the techshop thing and thinking about staff skillsets, my thoughts immediately jumped to this bizarre predicament some libraries find themselves in which they want to open up computer centers that offer more than just an outdated version of Internet Explorer and Office 97 and they *don&#8217;t have staff that could operate them*!!!  The techshop is a worst-case scenario of untrained fools slicing off fingers with bandsaws, but meanwhile we can&#8217;t even offer Photoshop in the library.</p>
<p>Anyways, @Fat and Grumpy, don&#8217;t be too hard on the librarians because there&#8217;s a lot of great ones out there who want jobs and want to do all of these things- they just aren&#8217;t getting the opportunity right now.  They&#8217;ve all been laid off over the last couple of years, or they are about to graduate and are headed into a rough job market. We need to find ways to employ them and let them do what they know how to do&#8230; we shouldn&#8217;t be maintaining, we need to be pushing ahead&#8230; and who knows, maybe we do need some 3D printers just to shake things up.  </p>
<p>For the record: 3D printers are awesome.  Internet Explorer 6 is not awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: JD Kotula</title>
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		<dc:creator>JD Kotula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The UNLV Libraries, where I work, is pushing more toward becoming a learning &quot;laboratory&quot; where people in the university community can consume and produce information, and this works well for our users: students and staff who are expected to use and produce information.  But when you go this route with a public library, you run into the problem of an explosion of needs.  The home cook, carpentry enthusiast, and amateur painter are all competing for space, and they&#039;re just a small fraction of a community whose needs must be met.  Public libraries can meet these needs by offering classes in these ares--complete with movable, temporarily available tools like grills or easels--but setting aside permanent library space for these hobbies seems incredibly unwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UNLV Libraries, where I work, is pushing more toward becoming a learning &#8220;laboratory&#8221; where people in the university community can consume and produce information, and this works well for our users: students and staff who are expected to use and produce information.  But when you go this route with a public library, you run into the problem of an explosion of needs.  The home cook, carpentry enthusiast, and amateur painter are all competing for space, and they&#8217;re just a small fraction of a community whose needs must be met.  Public libraries can meet these needs by offering classes in these ares&#8211;complete with movable, temporarily available tools like grills or easels&#8211;but setting aside permanent library space for these hobbies seems incredibly unwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat and Grumpy</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/03/28/retooling-libraries-indeed/comment-page-1/#comment-33108</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat and Grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2011 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Nate Hill &quot;[T]he point to take from all of this is that we should be offering more services in libraries that address participatory learning and co-creation.&quot;  Sounds great.  But it involves librarians actually knowing something about something, having some background in teaching, and having the interpersonal skills to involve others in what their presenting.  After 30 years in libraries, I&#039;m here to tell you, most librarians don&#039;t even know enough about libraries to teach that, let alone something else.  Library school offered no education classes or teaching skills classes, though I spend 10 to 15% of my time teaching, and I&#039;m in a public library now.  And as for interpersonal skills... again, no library school classes, and certainly no requirements for many of the librarians I&#039;ve worked with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nate Hill &#8220;[T]he point to take from all of this is that we should be offering more services in libraries that address participatory learning and co-creation.&#8221;  Sounds great.  But it involves librarians actually knowing something about something, having some background in teaching, and having the interpersonal skills to involve others in what their presenting.  After 30 years in libraries, I&#8217;m here to tell you, most librarians don&#8217;t even know enough about libraries to teach that, let alone something else.  Library school offered no education classes or teaching skills classes, though I spend 10 to 15% of my time teaching, and I&#8217;m in a public library now.  And as for interpersonal skills&#8230; again, no library school classes, and certainly no requirements for many of the librarians I&#8217;ve worked with.</p>
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