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	<title>Comments on: Religious Discrimination and the ALA</title>
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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: JD2MLIS</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-40512</link>
		<dc:creator>JD2MLIS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate when librarians are ignorant and fail to do appropriate legal research. &quot;Title VII permits employers to hire and employ employees on the basis of religion if religion is “a bona fide occupational qualification [“BFOQ”] reasonably necessary to the normal operation of that particular business or enterprise.”[68] Religious organizations do not typically need to rely on this BFOQ defense, however, because the “religious organization” exception in Title VII permits them to prefer their co-religionists.&quot;  See http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/religion.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate when librarians are ignorant and fail to do appropriate legal research. &#8220;Title VII permits employers to hire and employ employees on the basis of religion if religion is “a bona fide occupational qualification [“BFOQ”] reasonably necessary to the normal operation of that particular business or enterprise.”[68] Religious organizations do not typically need to rely on this BFOQ defense, however, because the “religious organization” exception in Title VII permits them to prefer their co-religionists.&#8221;  See <a href="http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/religion.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/religion.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: rpglibrarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-34189</link>
		<dc:creator>rpglibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 15:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did anyone else notice that the number of references to actual library experience in the job posting could be counted using hen&#039;s teeth?  There is no mention of any library-related education; no mention of experience; no mention of organizational or computer skills.

I take more offense that a library manager does not need any actual library experience than the religiousness of the post.

Is this becoming a common trend?  That administration does not need the core skills of what they are administering?  Or should it just be assumed that the people who would like this job would have these skills and qualifications?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else notice that the number of references to actual library experience in the job posting could be counted using hen&#8217;s teeth?  There is no mention of any library-related education; no mention of experience; no mention of organizational or computer skills.</p>
<p>I take more offense that a library manager does not need any actual library experience than the religiousness of the post.</p>
<p>Is this becoming a common trend?  That administration does not need the core skills of what they are administering?  Or should it just be assumed that the people who would like this job would have these skills and qualifications?</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-34161</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 17:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Randal,

I offered the facts, which neither you nor the AL could be bothered to do.  Shame on me, a librarian, presenting facts.  How superficial of me!

I&#039;m not sure of your point.   For a government to require a privately-funded religious entity to hire nonfollowers of their faith is prohibiting the free exercise of that religion by interfering with the mission of that institution.   Would you prefer for our government to interfere with the religious practice of its citizens?   I guess it&#039;s time that we scrap that useless, outdated Bill of Rights, huh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randal,</p>
<p>I offered the facts, which neither you nor the AL could be bothered to do.  Shame on me, a librarian, presenting facts.  How superficial of me!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure of your point.   For a government to require a privately-funded religious entity to hire nonfollowers of their faith is prohibiting the free exercise of that religion by interfering with the mission of that institution.   Would you prefer for our government to interfere with the religious practice of its citizens?   I guess it&#8217;s time that we scrap that useless, outdated Bill of Rights, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Powell</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-34141</link>
		<dc:creator>Randal Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 00:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leah,

Appeal to authority is a rather superficial technique for arguing for a position.  Government policies are written by people with motives, and do not represent what is right and good in any way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leah,</p>
<p>Appeal to authority is a rather superficial technique for arguing for a position.  Government policies are written by people with motives, and do not represent what is right and good in any way.</p>
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		<title>By: PremproPosse</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-34133</link>
		<dc:creator>PremproPosse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 20:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leah, ALA *is* a lead balloon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leah, ALA *is* a lead balloon.</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-34130</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 20:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You definitely didn&#039;t do your research on this topic.  Neither did anyone else, apparently.  I found this in under 5 minutes just by clicking a few links deeper into one you gave in your post.

More from the EEOC:
Compliance manual at http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/religion.html#_Toc203359492
See 12-I section C under &quot;Exceptions:&quot;
1. Religious OrganizationsUnder Title VII, religious organizations are permitted to give employment preference to members of their own religion.[42] The exception applies only to those institutions whose “purpose and character are primarily religious.”[43] That determination is to be based on “[a]ll significant religious and secular characteristics.”[44] Although no one factor is dispositive, significant factors to consider that would indicate whether an entity is religious include:

•Do its articles of incorporation state a religious purpose?
•Are its day-to-day operations religious (e.g., are the services the entity performs, the product it produces, or the educational curriculum it provides directed toward propagation of the religion)?
•Is it not-for-profit?
•Is it affiliated with or supported by a church or other religious organization? [45]
This exception is not limited to religious activities of the organization.[46] However, it only allows religious organizations to prefer to employ individuals who share their religion.[47] The exception does not allow religious organizations otherwise to discriminate in employment on protected bases other than religion, such as race, color, national origin, sex, age, or disability.[48] Thus, a religious organization is not permitted to engage in racially discriminatory hiring by asserting that a tenet of its religious beliefs is not associating with people of other races.  Similarly, a religious organization is not permitted to deny fringe benefits to married women but not to married men by asserting a religiously based view that only men can be the head of a household. 


Also, in response to Sidney&#039;s comment:
&quot;There’s nothing inherent in the job of librarian that requires any religious views at all.&quot;
This would only be true if the librarian never left their office, had zero contact with students, performed no collection development, developed no instructional materials, etc.  Maybe they could catalog.  Your argument might stand in the unlikely case of a librarian who has nothing to do with the education of a student. ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You definitely didn&#8217;t do your research on this topic.  Neither did anyone else, apparently.  I found this in under 5 minutes just by clicking a few links deeper into one you gave in your post.</p>
<p>More from the EEOC:<br />
Compliance manual at <a href="http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/religion.html#_Toc203359492" rel="nofollow">http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/religion.html#_Toc203359492</a><br />
See 12-I section C under &#8220;Exceptions:&#8221;<br />
1. Religious OrganizationsUnder Title VII, religious organizations are permitted to give employment preference to members of their own religion.[42] The exception applies only to those institutions whose “purpose and character are primarily religious.”[43] That determination is to be based on “[a]ll significant religious and secular characteristics.”[44] Although no one factor is dispositive, significant factors to consider that would indicate whether an entity is religious include:</p>
<p>•Do its articles of incorporation state a religious purpose?<br />
•Are its day-to-day operations religious (e.g., are the services the entity performs, the product it produces, or the educational curriculum it provides directed toward propagation of the religion)?<br />
•Is it not-for-profit?<br />
•Is it affiliated with or supported by a church or other religious organization? [45]<br />
This exception is not limited to religious activities of the organization.[46] However, it only allows religious organizations to prefer to employ individuals who share their religion.[47] The exception does not allow religious organizations otherwise to discriminate in employment on protected bases other than religion, such as race, color, national origin, sex, age, or disability.[48] Thus, a religious organization is not permitted to engage in racially discriminatory hiring by asserting that a tenet of its religious beliefs is not associating with people of other races.  Similarly, a religious organization is not permitted to deny fringe benefits to married women but not to married men by asserting a religiously based view that only men can be the head of a household. </p>
<p>Also, in response to Sidney&#8217;s comment:<br />
&#8220;There’s nothing inherent in the job of librarian that requires any religious views at all.&#8221;<br />
This would only be true if the librarian never left their office, had zero contact with students, performed no collection development, developed no instructional materials, etc.  Maybe they could catalog.  Your argument might stand in the unlikely case of a librarian who has nothing to do with the education of a student. ?</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-34124</link>
		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 15:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d say if that ALA did NOT post this ad, the ALA would themselves be guilty of discrimination against religious institutions.  They made the right decision in posting it.  The Christian Scientists are a privately funded religious organization who are using legally sound criteria in their hiring practices, and as such, they are entitled to require anyone they hire to represent their organization as a follower of the faith.  Refusing to run their ad would display an ignorance in understanding of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.  

If you read further on the link you provided (eeoc.gov), you would see that religious institutions are perfectly entitled to include religion as a factor in hiring.  Title VII states: &quot;This subchapter shall not apply to an employer with respect to the employment of aliens outside any State, or to a religious corporation, association, educational institution, or society with respect to the employment of individuals of a particular religion to perform work connected with the carrying on by such corporation, association, educational institution, or society of its activities.&quot;  

Let&#039;s see the ALA alienate and exclude every library and librarian who works in a faith-based organization because they practice &quot;religious discrimination&quot;.  Yeah, that would go over like a lead balloon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say if that ALA did NOT post this ad, the ALA would themselves be guilty of discrimination against religious institutions.  They made the right decision in posting it.  The Christian Scientists are a privately funded religious organization who are using legally sound criteria in their hiring practices, and as such, they are entitled to require anyone they hire to represent their organization as a follower of the faith.  Refusing to run their ad would display an ignorance in understanding of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.  </p>
<p>If you read further on the link you provided (eeoc.gov), you would see that religious institutions are perfectly entitled to include religion as a factor in hiring.  Title VII states: &#8220;This subchapter shall not apply to an employer with respect to the employment of aliens outside any State, or to a religious corporation, association, educational institution, or society with respect to the employment of individuals of a particular religion to perform work connected with the carrying on by such corporation, association, educational institution, or society of its activities.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see the ALA alienate and exclude every library and librarian who works in a faith-based organization because they practice &#8220;religious discrimination&#8221;.  Yeah, that would go over like a lead balloon.</p>
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		<title>By: Former Librarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-34103</link>
		<dc:creator>Former Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 01:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: clannish and parochial

Library hiring decisions are based mostly on &quot;fit with the organization.&quot; This means you should look and think like other staff. Some libraries hire young techie hipsters, and others stick to middle-aged liberal white women. In the corporate world, you actually have to perform or the business will shut down, so hiring is based on qualifications. The library world is less interested in what you can do and more interested in what you won&#039;t (threaten the comfort zone.) Any wonder the profession has such a hard time attracting librarians of color or any other aspect of diversity? At least this library was honest. A lot of librarians spread little white lies instead (postings for nonexistent jobs, positions custom designed for internal candidates, talk of librarian shortage, etc.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: clannish and parochial</p>
<p>Library hiring decisions are based mostly on &#8220;fit with the organization.&#8221; This means you should look and think like other staff. Some libraries hire young techie hipsters, and others stick to middle-aged liberal white women. In the corporate world, you actually have to perform or the business will shut down, so hiring is based on qualifications. The library world is less interested in what you can do and more interested in what you won&#8217;t (threaten the comfort zone.) Any wonder the profession has such a hard time attracting librarians of color or any other aspect of diversity? At least this library was honest. A lot of librarians spread little white lies instead (postings for nonexistent jobs, positions custom designed for internal candidates, talk of librarian shortage, etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Powell</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-34094</link>
		<dc:creator>Randal Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 22:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annoyed is correct that hiring decisions in libraries are often shady, to say the least; corporate America is almost wholesome in comparison.  Furthermore, the field is so clannish and parochial that anyone in any position of power can destroy someone’s career at the drop of hat.  People contemplating going into the field need to be aware of this, because it is not obvious from the outside.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annoyed is correct that hiring decisions in libraries are often shady, to say the least; corporate America is almost wholesome in comparison.  Furthermore, the field is so clannish and parochial that anyone in any position of power can destroy someone’s career at the drop of hat.  People contemplating going into the field need to be aware of this, because it is not obvious from the outside.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Campbell</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/05/09/religious-discrimination-and-the-ala/comment-page-1/#comment-34082</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 18:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What was the cause of your discrimination, Annoyed?

Age? Gender? Disability?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was the cause of your discrimination, Annoyed?</p>
<p>Age? Gender? Disability?</p>
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