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	<title>Comments on: Teachers and Librarians in L.A.</title>
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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Dismayed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dismayed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 00:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In case any of those fired teacher-librarians want to work for the Los Angeles Public Library, they do have openings for As-Needed Part-Time Librarians. Here&#039;s the link to the full ad (http://www.lapl.org/jobs/jb-librarian.html), but enjoy these highlights:

The part-time Librarian positions are as-needed, exempt from civil service, and may be assigned to work at the downtown Central Library or any of the 72 neighborhood branch libraries. (This is in a city of over 500 square miles, where it can easily take you over an hour to drive 10 miles.) Candidates selected for these part-time positions will work on an as-needed basis, not to exceed 900 hours per service year with no minimum guaranteed number of hours per week or year. (Get that? There are no guaranteed minimums, but there is a guaranteed maximum.) The positions may require working in the evenings and on weekends. (Are you available at a moment&#039;s notice, pretty much every minute of the day? If not, don&#039;t bother applying.) The salary for this position is $27.51 per hour; no medical, dental or retirement benefits. (Natch.)

The duties performed may include, but are not limited to: providing a variety of professional library services to patrons of all age groups; instructing patrons on how to use computer based technologies to access the library’s online catalog, databases and other electronic resources; filling patron requests for books and other library materials; and, reference and readers&#039; advisory service. (So while the money, the benefits, and the hours are extremely limited [that is, close to nonexistent]), the duties are not.)

A Master&#039;s degree in Library Science from an American Library Association recognized college or university is REQUIRED, of course, while LAPL merely DESIRES the following: Communicate effectively and professionally with the public; Works well with co-workers and supervisors in the performance of job duties; Ability to perform reference work and bibliographic research; Ability to furnish reading guidance to patrons; Ability to use a computer to access the online catalog and databases; Operate standard office equipment (computer, copy / fax machine, telephone, etc.)

(So while they demand that I have completed a graduate degree, they only &quot;desire&quot; me to know how to use a telephone? Interesting priorities.)

If you&#039;ve got the necessary skills, along with the clearly requisite but unmentioned low self-esteem and desperation for this job, you should be aware that &quot;Those candidates whose qualifications most closely match those of the position will be invited to an oral interview.&quot; (An &quot;oral&quot; interview? I hope that means talking in person or on the telephone - if I&#039;m one of the &quot;desirable&quot; applicants who&#039;ve mastered that.)

Can anybody say, &quot;Library Jobs that Suck: Los Angeles&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case any of those fired teacher-librarians want to work for the Los Angeles Public Library, they do have openings for As-Needed Part-Time Librarians. Here&#8217;s the link to the full ad (<a href="http://www.lapl.org/jobs/jb-librarian.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lapl.org/jobs/jb-librarian.html</a>), but enjoy these highlights:</p>
<p>The part-time Librarian positions are as-needed, exempt from civil service, and may be assigned to work at the downtown Central Library or any of the 72 neighborhood branch libraries. (This is in a city of over 500 square miles, where it can easily take you over an hour to drive 10 miles.) Candidates selected for these part-time positions will work on an as-needed basis, not to exceed 900 hours per service year with no minimum guaranteed number of hours per week or year. (Get that? There are no guaranteed minimums, but there is a guaranteed maximum.) The positions may require working in the evenings and on weekends. (Are you available at a moment&#8217;s notice, pretty much every minute of the day? If not, don&#8217;t bother applying.) The salary for this position is $27.51 per hour; no medical, dental or retirement benefits. (Natch.)</p>
<p>The duties performed may include, but are not limited to: providing a variety of professional library services to patrons of all age groups; instructing patrons on how to use computer based technologies to access the library’s online catalog, databases and other electronic resources; filling patron requests for books and other library materials; and, reference and readers&#8217; advisory service. (So while the money, the benefits, and the hours are extremely limited [that is, close to nonexistent]), the duties are not.)</p>
<p>A Master&#8217;s degree in Library Science from an American Library Association recognized college or university is REQUIRED, of course, while LAPL merely DESIRES the following: Communicate effectively and professionally with the public; Works well with co-workers and supervisors in the performance of job duties; Ability to perform reference work and bibliographic research; Ability to furnish reading guidance to patrons; Ability to use a computer to access the online catalog and databases; Operate standard office equipment (computer, copy / fax machine, telephone, etc.)</p>
<p>(So while they demand that I have completed a graduate degree, they only &#8220;desire&#8221; me to know how to use a telephone? Interesting priorities.)</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve got the necessary skills, along with the clearly requisite but unmentioned low self-esteem and desperation for this job, you should be aware that &#8220;Those candidates whose qualifications most closely match those of the position will be invited to an oral interview.&#8221; (An &#8220;oral&#8221; interview? I hope that means talking in person or on the telephone &#8211; if I&#8217;m one of the &#8220;desirable&#8221; applicants who&#8217;ve mastered that.)</p>
<p>Can anybody say, &#8220;Library Jobs that Suck: Los Angeles&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It’s not a matter of whether being a librarian qualifies you as a teacher. These librarians all went to school to be teachers, too. The argument isn’t really whether they are doing the same thing as teachers in their current position, but whether working as a librarian takes away from your training and undermines your ability to go into a classroom and teach. 

AL said, “Titles and credentials are irrelevant to my argument.” 

And in a perfect world, the lousy employees would be dropped during cutbacks, whether they were lousy English teachers or lousy teacher-librarians or lousy cafeteria servers. That really does make for a great argument.

But that’s not how the system works right now. So titles and credentials may not matter to your argument, but they are right at the core of the argument between the librarians and the district.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s not a matter of whether being a librarian qualifies you as a teacher. These librarians all went to school to be teachers, too. The argument isn’t really whether they are doing the same thing as teachers in their current position, but whether working as a librarian takes away from your training and undermines your ability to go into a classroom and teach. </p>
<p>AL said, “Titles and credentials are irrelevant to my argument.” </p>
<p>And in a perfect world, the lousy employees would be dropped during cutbacks, whether they were lousy English teachers or lousy teacher-librarians or lousy cafeteria servers. That really does make for a great argument.</p>
<p>But that’s not how the system works right now. So titles and credentials may not matter to your argument, but they are right at the core of the argument between the librarians and the district.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is that the district only hired certified teachers as librarians in the first place. Oh, and that the district calls them “teacher-librarians”. Makes it a little awkward to now claim that they aren’t teachers.

If the lawyers can&#039;t make their case that these teaching-certificate-wielding librarians are not, in fact, qualified as teachers, then the district will have to lay off its more recently hired teachers -- the standard sacrificial lambs when cutbacks lead to layoffs -- then reassign the librarians as teachers to fill those vacancies. 

Besides being inconvenient, the kind of a shuffle that fires second-year teachers with bachelor&#039;s degrees doesn&#039;t cut nearly as many dollars from the budget as laying off people with dual certifications, sometimes a master&#039;s degree, and years of experience moving them higher and higher up the payscale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the district only hired certified teachers as librarians in the first place. Oh, and that the district calls them “teacher-librarians”. Makes it a little awkward to now claim that they aren’t teachers.</p>
<p>If the lawyers can&#8217;t make their case that these teaching-certificate-wielding librarians are not, in fact, qualified as teachers, then the district will have to lay off its more recently hired teachers &#8212; the standard sacrificial lambs when cutbacks lead to layoffs &#8212; then reassign the librarians as teachers to fill those vacancies. </p>
<p>Besides being inconvenient, the kind of a shuffle that fires second-year teachers with bachelor&#8217;s degrees doesn&#8217;t cut nearly as many dollars from the budget as laying off people with dual certifications, sometimes a master&#8217;s degree, and years of experience moving them higher and higher up the payscale.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems to me that the lawyers in this case are trying to create a distinction so that district rules -- and probably union agreements -- about laying teachers off don&#039;t apply to the dismissal of a bunch of professionally certified school librarians. Who are doubly credentialed as both teachers and librarians, if I&#039;m reading things right.

They&#039;ll want to replace the librarians, if at all, with &quot;classified&quot; employees, non-degreed stand-in librarians who cost less because they qualify for lower wages and a lower level of benefits than the district has to provide to teachers and others whom they categorize as &quot;professional&quot; employees. 

These librarians want to make the case that they are, in fact teachers, and so should simply be reassigned to positions elsewhere in the district if their jobs disappear in the downsizing. The librarians want the district to fire somebody lower on the totem pole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that the lawyers in this case are trying to create a distinction so that district rules &#8212; and probably union agreements &#8212; about laying teachers off don&#8217;t apply to the dismissal of a bunch of professionally certified school librarians. Who are doubly credentialed as both teachers and librarians, if I&#8217;m reading things right.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll want to replace the librarians, if at all, with &#8220;classified&#8221; employees, non-degreed stand-in librarians who cost less because they qualify for lower wages and a lower level of benefits than the district has to provide to teachers and others whom they categorize as &#8220;professional&#8221; employees. </p>
<p>These librarians want to make the case that they are, in fact teachers, and so should simply be reassigned to positions elsewhere in the district if their jobs disappear in the downsizing. The librarians want the district to fire somebody lower on the totem pole.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Churchill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Churchill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AL, I&#039;m so glad you responded with &quot;that’s exactly what librarians need to do!&quot;  To that annoyed teacher I suggest steeling her determination to use her anger be her motivation for preparing an outline of all she does so she can be ready to calmly respond to the next unaware ...really, often, clueless individual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AL, I&#8217;m so glad you responded with &#8220;that’s exactly what librarians need to do!&#8221;  To that annoyed teacher I suggest steeling her determination to use her anger be her motivation for preparing an outline of all she does so she can be ready to calmly respond to the next unaware &#8230;really, often, clueless individual.</p>
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		<title>By: Annoyed Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annoyed Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 20:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are facts that have nothing to do with the significant differences in work between librarians and teachers, differences which are obvious to just about everyone. You&#039;re doing it again with &quot;defined as&quot;. You can define anything as anything, but that doesn&#039;t change what it is. 

However, I agree with you on the essence of the situation, that the LAUSD is suddenly changing longstanding rules that that everyone has been following for a long time, but just saying &quot;librarians really are teachers because we call them teachers&quot; isn&#039;t going to convince anyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are facts that have nothing to do with the significant differences in work between librarians and teachers, differences which are obvious to just about everyone. You&#8217;re doing it again with &#8220;defined as&#8221;. You can define anything as anything, but that doesn&#8217;t change what it is. </p>
<p>However, I agree with you on the essence of the situation, that the LAUSD is suddenly changing longstanding rules that that everyone has been following for a long time, but just saying &#8220;librarians really are teachers because we call them teachers&#8221; isn&#8217;t going to convince anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: teetop</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/06/02/teachers-and-librarians-in-la/comment-page-1/#comment-34842</link>
		<dc:creator>teetop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They are facts, AL.  If they are irrelevant to your argument, your argument is fatally flawed.  The job has been defined as Teacher-Librarian, and that is how it has been sold to the people who have worked in the system and made their choices accordingly.  Maybe there is some larger philosphical point or points you would like to connect it to in some stawwoman way, but the essence of this situation is that LAUSD is trying to suddenly and unilaterally change the rules which everyone has been operating under.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are facts, AL.  If they are irrelevant to your argument, your argument is fatally flawed.  The job has been defined as Teacher-Librarian, and that is how it has been sold to the people who have worked in the system and made their choices accordingly.  Maybe there is some larger philosphical point or points you would like to connect it to in some stawwoman way, but the essence of this situation is that LAUSD is trying to suddenly and unilaterally change the rules which everyone has been operating under.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Collins Honenberger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Collins Honenberger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good teachers and good librarians are doing the same thing, exposing their students to the larger world, giving them transferable skills for inquiry and investigation into those new worlds, and helping them see the interconnectedness of everything, which builds empathy and problem solving skills. Enthusiasm for learning can be generated by anyone, degree or not, but the key to a strong teacher or librarian is in steering that enthusiasm to books or subjects that will move the student. To say that librarians or teachers are only supposed to display books or ideas is a simplistic and incorrect summary of their mission. And downgrades their value in both cases. Isn&#039;t this the same old argument against standards of learning that are fact-based rather than concept-based?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good teachers and good librarians are doing the same thing, exposing their students to the larger world, giving them transferable skills for inquiry and investigation into those new worlds, and helping them see the interconnectedness of everything, which builds empathy and problem solving skills. Enthusiasm for learning can be generated by anyone, degree or not, but the key to a strong teacher or librarian is in steering that enthusiasm to books or subjects that will move the student. To say that librarians or teachers are only supposed to display books or ideas is a simplistic and incorrect summary of their mission. And downgrades their value in both cases. Isn&#8217;t this the same old argument against standards of learning that are fact-based rather than concept-based?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Linney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne Linney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(stammers)... but the ALA-APA claims the way for us to raise our salaries is to get ourselves classed as teachers.... (pouts)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(stammers)&#8230; but the ALA-APA claims the way for us to raise our salaries is to get ourselves classed as teachers&#8230;. (pouts)</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randal Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 00:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LA has their education model backwards; a more effective approach would be to cut just about anything else and keep good libraries and good librarians.  The ability to write and think clearly is largely a matter of reading a lot.  And reading a lot is largely a matter of being curious and having good resources available, along with a comfortable environment and some encouragement and support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LA has their education model backwards; a more effective approach would be to cut just about anything else and keep good libraries and good librarians.  The ability to write and think clearly is largely a matter of reading a lot.  And reading a lot is largely a matter of being curious and having good resources available, along with a comfortable environment and some encouragement and support.</p>
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