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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/06/20/anarchists-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-35169</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 17:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Fat Guy,

Pretty much.  

Seriously,

I think there are uses for libraries.  I just think we need to take a realistic look at what they are, how to best provide them, and how to fund/write policy accordingly.  Also, I see great uses for academic/school libraries.  I see great uses for special libraries.  I think library of congress is great- I like archives, too.

I just see failure, sentimentality and job justification as opposed to true service and honesty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fat Guy,</p>
<p>Pretty much.  </p>
<p>Seriously,</p>
<p>I think there are uses for libraries.  I just think we need to take a realistic look at what they are, how to best provide them, and how to fund/write policy accordingly.  Also, I see great uses for academic/school libraries.  I see great uses for special libraries.  I think library of congress is great- I like archives, too.</p>
<p>I just see failure, sentimentality and job justification as opposed to true service and honesty.</p>
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		<title>By: Fat Guy</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/06/20/anarchists-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-35167</link>
		<dc:creator>Fat Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeez Spencer, you really can&#039;t think of any good reason for libraries, can you? You&#039;re like a vegan who works at Burger King.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez Spencer, you really can&#8217;t think of any good reason for libraries, can you? You&#8217;re like a vegan who works at Burger King.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/06/20/anarchists-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-35157</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that job finding resources and internet and book access have been and can be met by the market and people with charitable intentions.  Also, I don&#039;t think that providing these at little to NO cost for those that use them is actually a public service or a public good.  On some level, I think it might be harmful.

That being said, public schools and junior colleges, not to mention work force commissions and unemployment offices, meet most of these needs already.  If a void was created by removing the libraries, I think that the market could easily fill them with charitable endeavors or even low cost, for profit enterprises.

Now, what &quot;need&quot; isn&#039;t filled is that of extremely low cost wrestling... oh wait, it is!  ON TELEVISION FUNDED BY ADS.  So, the need would be on demand, selective entertainment?  As long as we&#039;re up front about it.  (Also, I&#039;m more than cool with that on a local level, but let&#039;s not fool ourselves).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that job finding resources and internet and book access have been and can be met by the market and people with charitable intentions.  Also, I don&#8217;t think that providing these at little to NO cost for those that use them is actually a public service or a public good.  On some level, I think it might be harmful.</p>
<p>That being said, public schools and junior colleges, not to mention work force commissions and unemployment offices, meet most of these needs already.  If a void was created by removing the libraries, I think that the market could easily fill them with charitable endeavors or even low cost, for profit enterprises.</p>
<p>Now, what &#8220;need&#8221; isn&#8217;t filled is that of extremely low cost wrestling&#8230; oh wait, it is!  ON TELEVISION FUNDED BY ADS.  So, the need would be on demand, selective entertainment?  As long as we&#8217;re up front about it.  (Also, I&#8217;m more than cool with that on a local level, but let&#8217;s not fool ourselves).</p>
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		<title>By: Amy M.</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/06/20/anarchists-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-35137</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I suggest that AL actually engage with all the library’s allies because the library needs them.&quot;

Cheers!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I suggest that AL actually engage with all the library’s allies because the library needs them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Cheers!!!</p>
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		<title>By: former OPL employee</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/06/20/anarchists-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-35136</link>
		<dc:creator>former OPL employee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article makes the Bay of Rage statement about libraries sound like a longer and more misguided document than it is. Follow the link: it&#039;s only three paragraphs long and Annoyed Librarian quotes virtually every word. It is also a willful misunderstanding of the short screed&#039;s purpose and content, i.e. that comment about robber barons referred to them not as visitors to but as financial backers of public libraries. 

Annoyed Librarian actually agrees with many of the points made in &quot;Anarchy in the Library&quot; and that appears to freak her out and provoke her nitpicking. Annoyed Librarian thinks that anarchists annoy everybody so they&#039;re not the allies she wants public libraries to have during the austerity cuts. This reaction is very typical and usually indicates that the person can&#039;t admit that their job/social position is slipping across the line from &quot;safely middle class professional&quot; to &quot;increasingly precarious because audaciously not market-driven/oriented.&quot; Talk to some adjunct university professors and roving nurses. Actually, better idea, talk to the various activists organizing to defend _your_ library, learn from each other, and come up with a way to work together.

I am sympathetic that AL does not want public libraries to become the next issue around which both the far right and far left take extreme and intractable positions. It also appears that crankypants just wants to be left alone. But I could take as much issue with the three paragraphs of over-privileged &quot;let them give up martinis&quot; nonsense plonked into the middle of her statement as she takes with Bay of Rage. But I don&#039;t expect rants to provide lucid in-depth analysis on every point. I suggest that AL actually engage with all the library&#039;s allies because the library needs them. What the anarchists have admitted that she hasn&#039;t is that many public library systems are under attack and somebody needs to &quot;stand up, fight back.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article makes the Bay of Rage statement about libraries sound like a longer and more misguided document than it is. Follow the link: it&#8217;s only three paragraphs long and Annoyed Librarian quotes virtually every word. It is also a willful misunderstanding of the short screed&#8217;s purpose and content, i.e. that comment about robber barons referred to them not as visitors to but as financial backers of public libraries. </p>
<p>Annoyed Librarian actually agrees with many of the points made in &#8220;Anarchy in the Library&#8221; and that appears to freak her out and provoke her nitpicking. Annoyed Librarian thinks that anarchists annoy everybody so they&#8217;re not the allies she wants public libraries to have during the austerity cuts. This reaction is very typical and usually indicates that the person can&#8217;t admit that their job/social position is slipping across the line from &#8220;safely middle class professional&#8221; to &#8220;increasingly precarious because audaciously not market-driven/oriented.&#8221; Talk to some adjunct university professors and roving nurses. Actually, better idea, talk to the various activists organizing to defend _your_ library, learn from each other, and come up with a way to work together.</p>
<p>I am sympathetic that AL does not want public libraries to become the next issue around which both the far right and far left take extreme and intractable positions. It also appears that crankypants just wants to be left alone. But I could take as much issue with the three paragraphs of over-privileged &#8220;let them give up martinis&#8221; nonsense plonked into the middle of her statement as she takes with Bay of Rage. But I don&#8217;t expect rants to provide lucid in-depth analysis on every point. I suggest that AL actually engage with all the library&#8217;s allies because the library needs them. What the anarchists have admitted that she hasn&#8217;t is that many public library systems are under attack and somebody needs to &#8220;stand up, fight back.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Randal Powell</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/06/20/anarchists-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-35131</link>
		<dc:creator>Randal Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 02:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think AL is right that what public libraries do can’t be met efficiently through the market.  I’m also one of those people who tend to think that government is more or less corrupt.  So I guess, when it comes to public libraries, I have to accept that the situation is permanently imperfect. 

I was going to write that people living near colleges and universities with paid membership options could receive very good library service at a reasonable cost.  But on further reflection, this option only works on a large level for clean-looking adults.  Children, childish adults seeking entertainment, rough looking folks, and communities with no colleges or universities (or stuck up ones that don’t have paid membership options) need public libraries.  At the very least, the children need to read and the schools…well, never mind.

Perhaps, just over the horizon, there is a Utopian Technocracy with flying cars and an amazing virtual library where people can purchase unlimited access to all of the world’s knowledge for a few bucks a year.  When that day comes, I will be having too much fun to care about public libraries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think AL is right that what public libraries do can’t be met efficiently through the market.  I’m also one of those people who tend to think that government is more or less corrupt.  So I guess, when it comes to public libraries, I have to accept that the situation is permanently imperfect. </p>
<p>I was going to write that people living near colleges and universities with paid membership options could receive very good library service at a reasonable cost.  But on further reflection, this option only works on a large level for clean-looking adults.  Children, childish adults seeking entertainment, rough looking folks, and communities with no colleges or universities (or stuck up ones that don’t have paid membership options) need public libraries.  At the very least, the children need to read and the schools…well, never mind.</p>
<p>Perhaps, just over the horizon, there is a Utopian Technocracy with flying cars and an amazing virtual library where people can purchase unlimited access to all of the world’s knowledge for a few bucks a year.  When that day comes, I will be having too much fun to care about public libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: Lapu Lapu</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/06/20/anarchists-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-35129</link>
		<dc:creator>Lapu Lapu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article is riddled with over presumptuous and over simplified statements like &quot;Anarchists protesting in the streets won’t save libraries, because anarchists annoy people. &quot; Anarchists never claimed that protesting would save libraries. It just a means to an end. Sitting passively in city hall won&#039;t save the libraries either, nor will writing half baked analysis critiquing one of the only community groups organizing around the issue just because they are anarchists. The authors argument is a nicely dressed ad hominem. The section that states &quot;Though I hate to through a wrench into the anarchists’ anarchical works, the principle that everything belongs to everyone as a whole has never been the principle of public libraries&quot; That seems obvious enough, but it doesn&#039;t take much time or sophistication to advance the level of abstraction from the PRINCIPLES of the public library as an institution for sharing knowledge in the form of books, to the principles of sharing other socially necessary items like food, shelter etc. the reasons that these necessary goods are not available to the general public is because they have become the private property of a small section of society. The oversimplification of the authors argument is necessary in creating a straw man in which to pull apart arguments that are contrived on behalf of her opponent, namely anarchists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is riddled with over presumptuous and over simplified statements like &#8220;Anarchists protesting in the streets won’t save libraries, because anarchists annoy people. &#8221; Anarchists never claimed that protesting would save libraries. It just a means to an end. Sitting passively in city hall won&#8217;t save the libraries either, nor will writing half baked analysis critiquing one of the only community groups organizing around the issue just because they are anarchists. The authors argument is a nicely dressed ad hominem. The section that states &#8220;Though I hate to through a wrench into the anarchists’ anarchical works, the principle that everything belongs to everyone as a whole has never been the principle of public libraries&#8221; That seems obvious enough, but it doesn&#8217;t take much time or sophistication to advance the level of abstraction from the PRINCIPLES of the public library as an institution for sharing knowledge in the form of books, to the principles of sharing other socially necessary items like food, shelter etc. the reasons that these necessary goods are not available to the general public is because they have become the private property of a small section of society. The oversimplification of the authors argument is necessary in creating a straw man in which to pull apart arguments that are contrived on behalf of her opponent, namely anarchists.</p>
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		<title>By: what?</title>
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		<dc:creator>what?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 20:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It sounds like your library doesn&#039;t stock any books on anarchism.  Or banks.  You shouldn&#039;t presume to &quot;know what anarchists think,&quot; or what they might say- particularly in an article where you suggest personal beliefs that education is a necessity of life, participating in co-ops provides you with cheap, healthy food and that communal living environments are a positive thing- your beliefs may not be as far from the folks you&#039;re making fun of as you think.

It&#039;s also troubling you seem to think anarchists want to force equality through taxation.  Do yourself a favor and learn to distinguish between ideologies, cultures, and bumper stickers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like your library doesn&#8217;t stock any books on anarchism.  Or banks.  You shouldn&#8217;t presume to &#8220;know what anarchists think,&#8221; or what they might say- particularly in an article where you suggest personal beliefs that education is a necessity of life, participating in co-ops provides you with cheap, healthy food and that communal living environments are a positive thing- your beliefs may not be as far from the folks you&#8217;re making fun of as you think.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also troubling you seem to think anarchists want to force equality through taxation.  Do yourself a favor and learn to distinguish between ideologies, cultures, and bumper stickers.</p>
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		<title>By: meh</title>
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		<dc:creator>meh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 18:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see. But what is your agenda, exactly, angry librarian?  Besides snark?  We all have an agenda, and its probably a good thing that some of us are honest (or self aware) enough to admit it.  Should we maintain the status quo for as long as possible?  Let the middle class lead a &quot;leisurely&quot; life in Oakland?  Until they can&#039;t, I suppose.  Ignore the fact that current events (the current crisis) is fairly hard evidence that &quot;managing&quot; capitalism may not be an option for much longer?   And where do you think all of that crime comes from?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see. But what is your agenda, exactly, angry librarian?  Besides snark?  We all have an agenda, and its probably a good thing that some of us are honest (or self aware) enough to admit it.  Should we maintain the status quo for as long as possible?  Let the middle class lead a &#8220;leisurely&#8221; life in Oakland?  Until they can&#8217;t, I suppose.  Ignore the fact that current events (the current crisis) is fairly hard evidence that &#8220;managing&#8221; capitalism may not be an option for much longer?   And where do you think all of that crime comes from?</p>
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		<title>By: SuziLibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>SuziLibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But there are plenty of jobs around.&quot; 

Really, AL? Why are there so many people clogging up the public computers looking for a job--any job--at the library where I work?

&quot;They don’t pay much, but you don’t need to make much for the necessities of life...Give up the cable TV, the iPhone, the big house, the most expensive car you can afford, and anything you buy because it’s a fashionable brand you’ve just got to have, and living is actually quite affordable.&quot; 

Really, AL? Have you done the math on that one? Minimum wage won&#039;t cover half a month at a $600/month roach infested apartment complex around here if you also want luxuries like electricity and food. 

Brrr...sure is cold in your world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But there are plenty of jobs around.&#8221; </p>
<p>Really, AL? Why are there so many people clogging up the public computers looking for a job&#8211;any job&#8211;at the library where I work?</p>
<p>&#8220;They don’t pay much, but you don’t need to make much for the necessities of life&#8230;Give up the cable TV, the iPhone, the big house, the most expensive car you can afford, and anything you buy because it’s a fashionable brand you’ve just got to have, and living is actually quite affordable.&#8221; </p>
<p>Really, AL? Have you done the math on that one? Minimum wage won&#8217;t cover half a month at a $600/month roach infested apartment complex around here if you also want luxuries like electricity and food. </p>
<p>Brrr&#8230;sure is cold in your world.</p>
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