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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Literati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Literati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just found you blog, and I must say, it thorougly amuses me. As a resident of the illustrious state of Florida (and as someone fortunate enough to be in cities that LOVE censorship) can I just say that this article makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside, and the idea of a radical militant librarian made me giggle (primarily cause I&#039;m fond of puns, &quot;throw the book at all the non-believers!&quot;) I&#039;m totally going to follow your blog now...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found you blog, and I must say, it thorougly amuses me. As a resident of the illustrious state of Florida (and as someone fortunate enough to be in cities that LOVE censorship) can I just say that this article makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside, and the idea of a radical militant librarian made me giggle (primarily cause I&#8217;m fond of puns, &#8220;throw the book at all the non-believers!&#8221;) I&#8217;m totally going to follow your blog now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jul 2011 14:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@young librarian- it&#039;s probably a combination of the 2nd and 3rd.  Goldwater and school teachers generally don&#039;t mix- plus he was the loser of a presidential race in US, so how often are those really remembered?  

He was, however, a MAJOR influence in conservative philosophy in the US for the last half century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@young librarian- it&#8217;s probably a combination of the 2nd and 3rd.  Goldwater and school teachers generally don&#8217;t mix- plus he was the loser of a presidential race in US, so how often are those really remembered?  </p>
<p>He was, however, a MAJOR influence in conservative philosophy in the US for the last half century.</p>
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		<title>By: Young Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Young Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 20:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny.  I had to look up Barry Goldwater on Wikipedia because I didn&#039;t know who he was.  Is that because my librarian was a radical militant librarian?  Or because my school teachers thought he was irrelevant to my course of study?  Or the fact I grew up in Canada and didn&#039;t move to the states until grade 12?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny.  I had to look up Barry Goldwater on Wikipedia because I didn&#8217;t know who he was.  Is that because my librarian was a radical militant librarian?  Or because my school teachers thought he was irrelevant to my course of study?  Or the fact I grew up in Canada and didn&#8217;t move to the states until grade 12?</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christians have historically had antipathy for libraries?

That&#039;d be a shock for the Christian monastaries of the Middle Ages, many of whom saved knowledge after the fall of Rome. 

Not to mention, the role of Christianity in the popularization of the book itself, the Gutenberg Bible, and oh...the popularization of the codex as a book form? Christians have been, on the whole throughout history, quite the friend of the written word in general.

And yes, the Burning of the Alexandria library is an old propaganda point with a more complex truth. The wikipedia article is actually fairly helpful. Basically, it had already been burned several times, and wasn&#039;t nearly the place it had been by the time Theodosius got to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians have historically had antipathy for libraries?</p>
<p>That&#8217;d be a shock for the Christian monastaries of the Middle Ages, many of whom saved knowledge after the fall of Rome. </p>
<p>Not to mention, the role of Christianity in the popularization of the book itself, the Gutenberg Bible, and oh&#8230;the popularization of the codex as a book form? Christians have been, on the whole throughout history, quite the friend of the written word in general.</p>
<p>And yes, the Burning of the Alexandria library is an old propaganda point with a more complex truth. The wikipedia article is actually fairly helpful. Basically, it had already been burned several times, and wasn&#8217;t nearly the place it had been by the time Theodosius got to it.</p>
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		<title>By: joneser</title>
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		<dc:creator>joneser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2011 20:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember when Pluto&#039;s &quot;planet status&quot; was revoked a few years ago?  Massive calls for weeding the 520s went out across the land, because these titles were no longer factual.

Yet, what about climate-change books which might be factually-challenged?  Or &quot;Intelligent Design&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember when Pluto&#8217;s &#8220;planet status&#8221; was revoked a few years ago?  Massive calls for weeding the 520s went out across the land, because these titles were no longer factual.</p>
<p>Yet, what about climate-change books which might be factually-challenged?  Or &#8220;Intelligent Design&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 21:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Bias&quot; and &quot;censorship&quot; are oft-misunderstood concepts. If I decide to purchase a book written by Obama rather than George W. Bush&#039;s &quot;Decision Points&quot; for a library, I could be considering criteria that are generally unrelated to the fact that one author&#039;s a Democrat while the other&#039;s a Republican: the quality of the writing, and the factual accuracy being probably the most important ones. I might think it&#039;s more likely that a Democrat is producing quality work, but I should have a stronger basis for that opinion than the mere fact that the label &quot;Democrat&quot; is attached to the author&#039;s name. If that&#039;s what&#039;s guiding me, then accusations of prejudice may be relevant. As an acquisitions librarian, even if I&#039;m a die-hard Democrat, I should still be willing to purchase a book written by a Republican if it&#039;s clear that the author makes good points and is intellectually respectable.

For the same reason, being &quot;unbiased&quot; need not involve purchasing one book about the Holocaust, along with another book purporting to prove the Holocaust never happened. Even though there are two viewpoints out there, the quality of a book is not determined by the votes of interested parties, as though acquisitions were a democracy. Am I &quot;self-censoring&quot; by not choosing the Holocaust-denier&#039;s book? Everyone would admit that I&#039;m not. But, likewise, am I &quot;self-censoring&quot; by forgoing Bush&#039;s (or Obama&#039;s) book, in favor of the other one? Such a question can only be determined by asking about my motives. Because Bush&#039;s (or Obama&#039;s) political views are much more widely accepted than the Holocaust-denier&#039;s views are, is it not wrong to think that their works are entitled to my attention *for that reason alone*? Half the country probably rejects Darwinian theory of evolution. Should their numbers dictate the ideological balance of a section on my Biology shelf? &quot;Oh, but politics and religion are more subjective, unlike science,&quot; you might say. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s necessarily true. 

If I go into a Borders and see half of the &quot;Current Events&quot; books are written by liberals and other leftists, while the other are written by conservatives and other right-wingers, it does not make me admire Borders for generously offering their customers a wide spectrum of opinions. More likely they have their bottom line in mind: appealing to as many customers as possible means selling more books at the end of the day.

It&#039;s not really a valid criticism of a library to accuse it of not being similarly catholic (in the lower-case &quot;c&quot; meaning) in its representation of all religious and political viewpoints. It may mean that whoever is responsible for acquisitions is politically biased if certain views are under-represented. But it may also mean that this library is trying to fight against &quot;bias&quot; (which means bending facts to fit one&#039;s argument), by only choosing books that carry markers of respectable fact-checking and logical coherence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bias&#8221; and &#8220;censorship&#8221; are oft-misunderstood concepts. If I decide to purchase a book written by Obama rather than George W. Bush&#8217;s &#8220;Decision Points&#8221; for a library, I could be considering criteria that are generally unrelated to the fact that one author&#8217;s a Democrat while the other&#8217;s a Republican: the quality of the writing, and the factual accuracy being probably the most important ones. I might think it&#8217;s more likely that a Democrat is producing quality work, but I should have a stronger basis for that opinion than the mere fact that the label &#8220;Democrat&#8221; is attached to the author&#8217;s name. If that&#8217;s what&#8217;s guiding me, then accusations of prejudice may be relevant. As an acquisitions librarian, even if I&#8217;m a die-hard Democrat, I should still be willing to purchase a book written by a Republican if it&#8217;s clear that the author makes good points and is intellectually respectable.</p>
<p>For the same reason, being &#8220;unbiased&#8221; need not involve purchasing one book about the Holocaust, along with another book purporting to prove the Holocaust never happened. Even though there are two viewpoints out there, the quality of a book is not determined by the votes of interested parties, as though acquisitions were a democracy. Am I &#8220;self-censoring&#8221; by not choosing the Holocaust-denier&#8217;s book? Everyone would admit that I&#8217;m not. But, likewise, am I &#8220;self-censoring&#8221; by forgoing Bush&#8217;s (or Obama&#8217;s) book, in favor of the other one? Such a question can only be determined by asking about my motives. Because Bush&#8217;s (or Obama&#8217;s) political views are much more widely accepted than the Holocaust-denier&#8217;s views are, is it not wrong to think that their works are entitled to my attention *for that reason alone*? Half the country probably rejects Darwinian theory of evolution. Should their numbers dictate the ideological balance of a section on my Biology shelf? &#8220;Oh, but politics and religion are more subjective, unlike science,&#8221; you might say. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s necessarily true. </p>
<p>If I go into a Borders and see half of the &#8220;Current Events&#8221; books are written by liberals and other leftists, while the other are written by conservatives and other right-wingers, it does not make me admire Borders for generously offering their customers a wide spectrum of opinions. More likely they have their bottom line in mind: appealing to as many customers as possible means selling more books at the end of the day.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really a valid criticism of a library to accuse it of not being similarly catholic (in the lower-case &#8220;c&#8221; meaning) in its representation of all religious and political viewpoints. It may mean that whoever is responsible for acquisitions is politically biased if certain views are under-represented. But it may also mean that this library is trying to fight against &#8220;bias&#8221; (which means bending facts to fit one&#8217;s argument), by only choosing books that carry markers of respectable fact-checking and logical coherence.</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The worst part is how he starts off with a rational argument about how they don&#039;t need another library and the lack of public input into the decision- and then he goes completely ape poo crazy!  

I&#039;m not a fan of the ALA as a political org- and I think I&#039;m pretty safe in saying that librarians, on the whole, go about 11-1 in the dem v repub divide.  But, this guy is just a little ball o&#039; hate.  Perhaps he meant that the ALA certifies library schools, meaning that no accepted MLS can be taught in a grad program that doen&#039;st get accedidation by the ALA.  That&#039;s a bit of an issue- but all in all, any points he might have had or been able to make are completely lost and overshadowed by his overall idiocy and mental problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst part is how he starts off with a rational argument about how they don&#8217;t need another library and the lack of public input into the decision- and then he goes completely ape poo crazy!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of the ALA as a political org- and I think I&#8217;m pretty safe in saying that librarians, on the whole, go about 11-1 in the dem v repub divide.  But, this guy is just a little ball o&#8217; hate.  Perhaps he meant that the ALA certifies library schools, meaning that no accepted MLS can be taught in a grad program that doen&#8217;st get accedidation by the ALA.  That&#8217;s a bit of an issue- but all in all, any points he might have had or been able to make are completely lost and overshadowed by his overall idiocy and mental problems.</p>
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		<title>By: rpglibrarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>rpglibrarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 23:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many librarian jobs require a librarianship degree from an ALA acredited school.  Perhaps this is what he means when he says the ALA has control over libraries.  I could also be giving him too much credit, but that was the only thing I can think of that shows any degree of ALA control over libraries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many librarian jobs require a librarianship degree from an ALA acredited school.  Perhaps this is what he means when he says the ALA has control over libraries.  I could also be giving him too much credit, but that was the only thing I can think of that shows any degree of ALA control over libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 17:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do agree that Christianity has had antipathy to libraries during its history.  However, I have recently found (unfortunately I can&#039;t remember the source) that the cause of the destruction of the Library of Alexandria is currently up for debate among researchers.  I had always thought it had a Christian connection as well, but the error was passed along by a respected researcher and then further passed on by the otherwise-wonderful (to me) PBS series Cosmos.  Considering the times, it could have had a Christian connection, but the librarian in me needs to say that the researchers really don&#039;t know at this point.

However, I&#039;m really enjoying this article and the responses!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree that Christianity has had antipathy to libraries during its history.  However, I have recently found (unfortunately I can&#8217;t remember the source) that the cause of the destruction of the Library of Alexandria is currently up for debate among researchers.  I had always thought it had a Christian connection as well, but the error was passed along by a respected researcher and then further passed on by the otherwise-wonderful (to me) PBS series Cosmos.  Considering the times, it could have had a Christian connection, but the librarian in me needs to say that the researchers really don&#8217;t know at this point.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m really enjoying this article and the responses!</p>
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		<title>By: NJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2011 13:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is not surprising. Christians have a long history of having a great antipathy to libraries and it is guessed that the world&#039;s greatest library of the ancient world, the Great Library of Alexandria, was largely wiped out on orders of the new Christian emperors of Rome (391 CE, Edict of Theodosius). All references to the great library, which existed for 700 years under non Christian pagans, disappears from the historical record after 391.

Of course Karl Marx is going to have more citations than &quot;Barry Goldwater&quot; because Marx works had consequences that effected the entire world, while Goldwater, no matter what you think of him, was not a major player on the world scene. But you will probably find listings for many other conservative authors who lived at the same time as Marx, such as Benjamin Disraeli,or later, like Winston Churchill, and of course the father of modern Conservatism,and almost all of the ideas held by conservatives in the US and anywhere else today, Edmund Burke.

The fact that those using the catalog do not even know enough about the history of conservatism to not be comparing apples to oranges in this case is not the fault of the libraries, but a rather limited education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not surprising. Christians have a long history of having a great antipathy to libraries and it is guessed that the world&#8217;s greatest library of the ancient world, the Great Library of Alexandria, was largely wiped out on orders of the new Christian emperors of Rome (391 CE, Edict of Theodosius). All references to the great library, which existed for 700 years under non Christian pagans, disappears from the historical record after 391.</p>
<p>Of course Karl Marx is going to have more citations than &#8220;Barry Goldwater&#8221; because Marx works had consequences that effected the entire world, while Goldwater, no matter what you think of him, was not a major player on the world scene. But you will probably find listings for many other conservative authors who lived at the same time as Marx, such as Benjamin Disraeli,or later, like Winston Churchill, and of course the father of modern Conservatism,and almost all of the ideas held by conservatives in the US and anywhere else today, Edmund Burke.</p>
<p>The fact that those using the catalog do not even know enough about the history of conservatism to not be comparing apples to oranges in this case is not the fault of the libraries, but a rather limited education.</p>
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