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	<title>Comments on: The Clueless Fight the Non-Power</title>
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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/07/25/the-clueless-fight-the-non-power/comment-page-1/#comment-46815</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 14:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No free academic content?  Have you looked at www.plos.org? or arXiv.org?  Many topics are not (yet) covered, but it can be done, and it is being done.

Why publish research for free?  Because some researchers who love creating and sharing knowledge worked out ways to get paid anyway, I suppose.  Besides, they were already giving their work away, as do the reviewers.  Often, work paid for with public money, which is public property.

The whole industry started with researchers writing letters to each other because they felt a need, or an obligation, to show others what they had discovered.  Aside from taking over the task of hiring a few editors and compositors, I would be hard pressed to say what value an academic publisher brings to the table today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No free academic content?  Have you looked at <a href="http://www.plos.org?" rel="nofollow">http://www.plos.org?</a> or arXiv.org?  Many topics are not (yet) covered, but it can be done, and it is being done.</p>
<p>Why publish research for free?  Because some researchers who love creating and sharing knowledge worked out ways to get paid anyway, I suppose.  Besides, they were already giving their work away, as do the reviewers.  Often, work paid for with public money, which is public property.</p>
<p>The whole industry started with researchers writing letters to each other because they felt a need, or an obligation, to show others what they had discovered.  Aside from taking over the task of hiring a few editors and compositors, I would be hard pressed to say what value an academic publisher brings to the table today.</p>
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		<title>By: Library Student</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/07/25/the-clueless-fight-the-non-power/comment-page-1/#comment-35663</link>
		<dc:creator>Library Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t agree. There is plenty of good content, the peer review process is antiquated and needs to be changed. The expectation that everything should be available at no cost is not a problem, it&#039;s a reality.  People have that expectation now. My point is that the system needs to change to meet that expectation.  Hackers and social media won&#039;t &quot;fix the problem&quot; but they will bring attention to it. Today, I found citations for 10-15 articles that would be helpful for a paper I&#039;m working on. I was able to access only 1.  Because my school&#039;s library did not purchase these articles.  Because they are too expensive.  However, my professor requires peer reviewed articles.  Articles that I can&#039;t access.  The academic model isn&#039;t working anymore.  I am sorely tempted to utilize expert blogs for the paper, which are more current anyway, and explain to the professor why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree. There is plenty of good content, the peer review process is antiquated and needs to be changed. The expectation that everything should be available at no cost is not a problem, it&#8217;s a reality.  People have that expectation now. My point is that the system needs to change to meet that expectation.  Hackers and social media won&#8217;t &#8220;fix the problem&#8221; but they will bring attention to it. Today, I found citations for 10-15 articles that would be helpful for a paper I&#8217;m working on. I was able to access only 1.  Because my school&#8217;s library did not purchase these articles.  Because they are too expensive.  However, my professor requires peer reviewed articles.  Articles that I can&#8217;t access.  The academic model isn&#8217;t working anymore.  I am sorely tempted to utilize expert blogs for the paper, which are more current anyway, and explain to the professor why.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Collins</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/07/25/the-clueless-fight-the-non-power/comment-page-1/#comment-35581</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason%E2%80%93Dixon_Line

Sounds like a geographical clue to your identity :) 
Thanks for another great post, I hope common sense prevails in Washington. Enjoy your weekend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason%E2%80%93Dixon_Line" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason%E2%80%93Dixon_Line</a></p>
<p>Sounds like a geographical clue to your identity :)<br />
Thanks for another great post, I hope common sense prevails in Washington. Enjoy your weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Annoyed Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annoyed Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have reported the RSS issue to LJ. It looks like a problem for several of the blogs, not just the AL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have reported the RSS issue to LJ. It looks like a problem for several of the blogs, not just the AL.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, didn&#039;t see Andrew&#039;s post. Thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, didn&#8217;t see Andrew&#8217;s post. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/07/25/the-clueless-fight-the-non-power/comment-page-1/#comment-35552</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have not been able to have RSS feeds from the Library Journal blogs for several weeks.  Since I&#039;m receiving them from other sources, there must have either been a change in the LJ website that has not been updated in the RSS feed area, or the website as a whole has been changed in some way.  I remember reading that the LJ website had a major change in June?  My RSS feeds are through Yahoo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not been able to have RSS feeds from the Library Journal blogs for several weeks.  Since I&#8217;m receiving them from other sources, there must have either been a change in the LJ website that has not been updated in the RSS feed area, or the website as a whole has been changed in some way.  I remember reading that the LJ website had a major change in June?  My RSS feeds are through Yahoo.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/07/25/the-clueless-fight-the-non-power/comment-page-1/#comment-35550</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem might be that your RSS button on the top right isn&#039;t pointing to a legit address:

http://http//lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/feed/

You&#039;ve got an extra http// in there at the beginning.

[AL: Thanks for the feedback. I&#039;ll report it to LJ.]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem might be that your RSS button on the top right isn&#8217;t pointing to a legit address:</p>
<p><a href="http://http//lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/feed/" rel="nofollow">http://http//lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/feed/</a></p>
<p>You&#8217;ve got an extra http// in there at the beginning.</p>
<p>[AL: Thanks for the feedback. I'll report it to LJ.]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A.L.

Please check your RSS feed.  It appears to be broken.

[AL: it&#039;s working for me. Anyone else having problems?]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.L.</p>
<p>Please check your RSS feed.  It appears to be broken.</p>
<p>[AL: it's working for me. Anyone else having problems?]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/07/25/the-clueless-fight-the-non-power/comment-page-1/#comment-35539</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The biggest question with this story seems to be why he chose such boring content, but I think the point might be that boring-ness. Add the availability of good free content to the younger generations’ expectations (shown by the adoption of this trend toward supporting hackers), multiplied by the nature of social media… I just don’t see the academic publishing model holding up.&quot;

Except we don&#039;t have good free content (in the academic peer reviewed sense) that&#039;s just a Google search away. The expectation that everything should be available immediately at no cost is the problem, not the solution.

I also don&#039;t see how hackers and social media are going to fix the problem either. These so-called hackers are the same small but vocal minority that gets up in arms whenever anyone suggests that intellectual property should be paid for. They&#039;re still wrong whether we&#039;re talking about downloading the latest season of Two and a Half Men or pilfering the JSTOR database. There might be a bit of flash in the pan outrage via social media, but that focus will be channeled to cute pictures of grammatically questionable cats by next week.

Academic publishing is changing because of the Internet,to be sure, but this is just a bunch of kids trying to mask intellectual property theft as a freedom of speech issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The biggest question with this story seems to be why he chose such boring content, but I think the point might be that boring-ness. Add the availability of good free content to the younger generations’ expectations (shown by the adoption of this trend toward supporting hackers), multiplied by the nature of social media… I just don’t see the academic publishing model holding up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except we don&#8217;t have good free content (in the academic peer reviewed sense) that&#8217;s just a Google search away. The expectation that everything should be available immediately at no cost is the problem, not the solution.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t see how hackers and social media are going to fix the problem either. These so-called hackers are the same small but vocal minority that gets up in arms whenever anyone suggests that intellectual property should be paid for. They&#8217;re still wrong whether we&#8217;re talking about downloading the latest season of Two and a Half Men or pilfering the JSTOR database. There might be a bit of flash in the pan outrage via social media, but that focus will be channeled to cute pictures of grammatically questionable cats by next week.</p>
<p>Academic publishing is changing because of the Internet,to be sure, but this is just a bunch of kids trying to mask intellectual property theft as a freedom of speech issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Library Student</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2011/07/25/the-clueless-fight-the-non-power/comment-page-1/#comment-35530</link>
		<dc:creator>Library Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why would Swartz want to download what is likely gigabytes of information? His history includes a study co-authored with Shireen Barday, which looked through thousands of law review articles looking for law professors who had been paid by industry patrons to write papers. That study was published in 2008 in the Stanford Law Review&quot; (http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/swartz-arrest/)

I read somewhere (can&#039;t find it now) that some people believe that he either chose JSTOR deliberately because they wouldn&#039;t press charges, or because he is actually doing a study of some sort. 

But what I find really interesting is how this movement is going mainstream.  I keep thinking that the younger generation expects to find all the latest information on current subjects freely available on the web. It&#039;s not too hard to find content created by experts and innovators. So it must be puzzling to young people why there is such a fuss over a bunch of old, static articles.  The biggest question with this story seems to be why he chose such boring content, but I think the point might be that boring-ness.  Add the availability of good free content to the younger generations&#039; expectations (shown by the adoption of this trend toward supporting hackers), multiplied by the nature of social media... I just don&#039;t see the academic publishing model holding up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why would Swartz want to download what is likely gigabytes of information? His history includes a study co-authored with Shireen Barday, which looked through thousands of law review articles looking for law professors who had been paid by industry patrons to write papers. That study was published in 2008 in the Stanford Law Review&#8221; (<a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/swartz-arrest/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/07/swartz-arrest/</a>)</p>
<p>I read somewhere (can&#8217;t find it now) that some people believe that he either chose JSTOR deliberately because they wouldn&#8217;t press charges, or because he is actually doing a study of some sort. </p>
<p>But what I find really interesting is how this movement is going mainstream.  I keep thinking that the younger generation expects to find all the latest information on current subjects freely available on the web. It&#8217;s not too hard to find content created by experts and innovators. So it must be puzzling to young people why there is such a fuss over a bunch of old, static articles.  The biggest question with this story seems to be why he chose such boring content, but I think the point might be that boring-ness.  Add the availability of good free content to the younger generations&#8217; expectations (shown by the adoption of this trend toward supporting hackers), multiplied by the nature of social media&#8230; I just don&#8217;t see the academic publishing model holding up.</p>
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