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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As one of those higher level income,  graduate school educated Kindle owners: 
I read a lot. Perhaps 3-5 books a week. I travel a lot. I used the library or half priced books often in the past, because my habit is expensive. BUT I was raised not to travel with library books (what if you lose or damage them! For shame!) 

So in order to support my habit I bought the $79 kindle. Way better than the 10 bucks a pop.  In the first week of having my kindle I got a 10 book series from the library, which would have cost 9.99 a book from Amazon. I intentionally bought the kindle because I thought it would cut down on my ebook purchases. 

Additionally, I don&#039;t want to spend money on something when it&#039;s available from my library. It seems wasteful.

I think some people though, some wealthy kindle owners I know, will just buy the books without looking at the library. 

I actually found this site because I googled the licensing on the books. I&#039;ve noticed that the some of the newer books I want to read are available in audio, and then in some indeterminate time become available in Kindle format. I was googling to figure out how long I will have to wait!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of those higher level income,  graduate school educated Kindle owners:<br />
I read a lot. Perhaps 3-5 books a week. I travel a lot. I used the library or half priced books often in the past, because my habit is expensive. BUT I was raised not to travel with library books (what if you lose or damage them! For shame!) </p>
<p>So in order to support my habit I bought the $79 kindle. Way better than the 10 bucks a pop.  In the first week of having my kindle I got a 10 book series from the library, which would have cost 9.99 a book from Amazon. I intentionally bought the kindle because I thought it would cut down on my ebook purchases. </p>
<p>Additionally, I don&#8217;t want to spend money on something when it&#8217;s available from my library. It seems wasteful.</p>
<p>I think some people though, some wealthy kindle owners I know, will just buy the books without looking at the library. </p>
<p>I actually found this site because I googled the licensing on the books. I&#8217;ve noticed that the some of the newer books I want to read are available in audio, and then in some indeterminate time become available in Kindle format. I was googling to figure out how long I will have to wait!</p>
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		<title>By: Ohio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting discussion.

RE: income, purchasing devices, etc.

We do have some known lower-income patrons - excuse me, I am required to call them &quot;customers&quot; now - customers who own eReaders, but the majority of eReader owners in our busy mid-sized library are more affluent types who often state that they received their&#039;s as gifts from their children but hadn&#039;t really wanted one (we hear this A LOT). Also, frequently they are affluent people who travel a great deal, hence the eReader purchase. 

To be very honest, the (known) lower-income here use the library for the internet, free DVDs, and, yes, free video games. 

Of course, an argument can be made that we have no way of knowing who is low or high income - but anyone who&#039;s worked in a library for a long time will agree that we figure it out pretty quickly.

Also, a side note - those free video games? They are stolen or not returned after only 1 or 2 check-outs. It&#039;s become a game to see how long until they go missing. Yet, we keep replacing them. Constantly. THAT, I agree, is stupid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting discussion.</p>
<p>RE: income, purchasing devices, etc.</p>
<p>We do have some known lower-income patrons &#8211; excuse me, I am required to call them &#8220;customers&#8221; now &#8211; customers who own eReaders, but the majority of eReader owners in our busy mid-sized library are more affluent types who often state that they received their&#8217;s as gifts from their children but hadn&#8217;t really wanted one (we hear this A LOT). Also, frequently they are affluent people who travel a great deal, hence the eReader purchase. </p>
<p>To be very honest, the (known) lower-income here use the library for the internet, free DVDs, and, yes, free video games. </p>
<p>Of course, an argument can be made that we have no way of knowing who is low or high income &#8211; but anyone who&#8217;s worked in a library for a long time will agree that we figure it out pretty quickly.</p>
<p>Also, a side note &#8211; those free video games? They are stolen or not returned after only 1 or 2 check-outs. It&#8217;s become a game to see how long until they go missing. Yet, we keep replacing them. Constantly. THAT, I agree, is stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Techserving You</title>
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		<dc:creator>Techserving You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 01:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LibrarEwoman - there are actually a lot of (somewhat stupid) public libraries which lend videogames.  And using your analogy, one might say that since libraries have long carried games, it is reasonable for them to provide electronic games, at least in-house.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LibrarEwoman &#8211; there are actually a lot of (somewhat stupid) public libraries which lend videogames.  And using your analogy, one might say that since libraries have long carried games, it is reasonable for them to provide electronic games, at least in-house.</p>
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		<title>By: Ohio Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ohio Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Centerville-Washington Public Library does loan video games - including those for Xbox360.

www.wclibrary.info]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Centerville-Washington Public Library does loan video games &#8211; including those for Xbox360.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wclibrary.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.wclibrary.info</a></p>
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		<title>By: TechservingYou</title>
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		<dc:creator>TechservingYou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spencer hit the nail on the head, raising a question I have raised in my own library.  I&#039;ve got a number of incredibly demanding patrons criticizing the (small) library for not yet having Overdrive...afterall, their hard-earned tax dollars pay for the library, and these are tax dollars no one in town can afford because they&#039;re barely scraping by and are just trying to keep their homes.  Yet, apparently everyone in town also owns a Kindle and is therefore in great need of free ebooks.  Um, hello... doesn&#039;t quite add up.  What I&#039;ve got is a bunch of entitled cheapskates.  The people in town who genuinely can&#039;t afford to pay for the library are not the ones who are in need of free ebooks.  (And by the way, give the Kindle owners Overdrive, and they complain about how long the waiting list is for any popular fiction.)

I&#039;m frankly surprised at the number of people I have encountered who refuse to buy ebooks.  I bought my Kindle fully expecting to buy the ebooks too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer hit the nail on the head, raising a question I have raised in my own library.  I&#8217;ve got a number of incredibly demanding patrons criticizing the (small) library for not yet having Overdrive&#8230;afterall, their hard-earned tax dollars pay for the library, and these are tax dollars no one in town can afford because they&#8217;re barely scraping by and are just trying to keep their homes.  Yet, apparently everyone in town also owns a Kindle and is therefore in great need of free ebooks.  Um, hello&#8230; doesn&#8217;t quite add up.  What I&#8217;ve got is a bunch of entitled cheapskates.  The people in town who genuinely can&#8217;t afford to pay for the library are not the ones who are in need of free ebooks.  (And by the way, give the Kindle owners Overdrive, and they complain about how long the waiting list is for any popular fiction.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m frankly surprised at the number of people I have encountered who refuse to buy ebooks.  I bought my Kindle fully expecting to buy the ebooks too.</p>
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		<title>By: librarEwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>librarEwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spencer, I gave an argument against your analogy, but I&#039;ll clarify further. It&#039;s reasonable to purchase an eReader without expecting to purchase eBooks for it, because it&#039;s reasonable to expect your local library to enable you to borrow eBooks for your eReader. Libraries have always provided access to books. It&#039;s reasonable to expect them to provide access to eBooks.

It&#039;s not, however, reasonable for someone to purchase an XBox360 without having enough money to also purchase games. Libraries don&#039;t typically lend video games. I don&#039;t know of anywhere that lends video games free of charge.

So, your entire analogy falls apart. It is possible to borrow eBooks for no charge, and therefore could be worthwhile for someone to invest in an eReader without being able to purchase eBooks. It&#039;s not possible to get games for your XBox360 at no charge, and therefore would be completely stupid to purchase an XBox360 without being able to purchase games for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer, I gave an argument against your analogy, but I&#8217;ll clarify further. It&#8217;s reasonable to purchase an eReader without expecting to purchase eBooks for it, because it&#8217;s reasonable to expect your local library to enable you to borrow eBooks for your eReader. Libraries have always provided access to books. It&#8217;s reasonable to expect them to provide access to eBooks.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not, however, reasonable for someone to purchase an XBox360 without having enough money to also purchase games. Libraries don&#8217;t typically lend video games. I don&#8217;t know of anywhere that lends video games free of charge.</p>
<p>So, your entire analogy falls apart. It is possible to borrow eBooks for no charge, and therefore could be worthwhile for someone to invest in an eReader without being able to purchase eBooks. It&#8217;s not possible to get games for your XBox360 at no charge, and therefore would be completely stupid to purchase an XBox360 without being able to purchase games for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Overworked Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overworked Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I seriously doubt printed books will go away.  Also I love my e-reader but the idea that I&#039;m just renting rights to the e-books I own doesn&#039;t sit well with me.  I still think librarians are blowing this access to e-book debate out of proportion.

Another perspective I have is that I am also a published author.  I like having a few copies of my books in circulation at libraries, but I would also like to earn royalties from purchases.  There should be some compromise available.  I think it could be that you would have to wait some set amount of time to be able to access an ebook version of a novel in a library... like 3 months or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seriously doubt printed books will go away.  Also I love my e-reader but the idea that I&#8217;m just renting rights to the e-books I own doesn&#8217;t sit well with me.  I still think librarians are blowing this access to e-book debate out of proportion.</p>
<p>Another perspective I have is that I am also a published author.  I like having a few copies of my books in circulation at libraries, but I would also like to earn royalties from purchases.  There should be some compromise available.  I think it could be that you would have to wait some set amount of time to be able to access an ebook version of a novel in a library&#8230; like 3 months or something.</p>
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		<title>By: spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don’t agree with the logic that someone has no business buying an eReader if they can’t afford to purchase eBooks for it&quot;

Why don&#039;t you agree with this logic?  What is the argument against my analogy?

Also, publishers go with ebooks because we NEVER ACTUALLY OWN THEM.  We only rent the rights to them- to be taken away at any time.

&quot;We have to start providing electronic content whether we want to or not, in order to remain relevant and useful to our patrons.&quot;  That time has not arrived yet- and it might never arrive.  While it&#039;s great to think about it and keep it in mind, I think it&#039;s a bridge to cross when we get there. 

What we don&#039;t need to do, is stock minidiscs or betamax or anything else that caters to a platform specific middleman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t agree with the logic that someone has no business buying an eReader if they can’t afford to purchase eBooks for it&#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you agree with this logic?  What is the argument against my analogy?</p>
<p>Also, publishers go with ebooks because we NEVER ACTUALLY OWN THEM.  We only rent the rights to them- to be taken away at any time.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have to start providing electronic content whether we want to or not, in order to remain relevant and useful to our patrons.&#8221;  That time has not arrived yet- and it might never arrive.  While it&#8217;s great to think about it and keep it in mind, I think it&#8217;s a bridge to cross when we get there. </p>
<p>What we don&#8217;t need to do, is stock minidiscs or betamax or anything else that caters to a platform specific middleman.</p>
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		<title>By: librarEwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>librarEwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Libraries may not have a choice in this, if publishers and large book venders get their way. We have to start providing electronic content whether we want to or not, in order to remain relevant and useful to our patrons. If libraries don&#039;t have a choice, then poor people don&#039;t, either. Many of the people libraries serve are low to moderate income folks. While there are still plenty of print books available now, it seems very feasible that there may come a day when the only print books around are old or published by indie publishers. If that happens, and people still want to read mainstream, new books, they&#039;ll be forced to use electronic books. And if they can&#039;t afford to buy them, from where will they get them?

I don&#039;t agree with the logic that someone has no business buying an eReader if they can&#039;t afford to purchase eBooks for it. Yes, people are buying eReaders (either for themselves or as gifts) because they expect libraries to have eBooks they can borrow. Shouldn&#039;t they be able to expect this? The main purpose of libraries has always been to provide access to books; why should the format change this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libraries may not have a choice in this, if publishers and large book venders get their way. We have to start providing electronic content whether we want to or not, in order to remain relevant and useful to our patrons. If libraries don&#8217;t have a choice, then poor people don&#8217;t, either. Many of the people libraries serve are low to moderate income folks. While there are still plenty of print books available now, it seems very feasible that there may come a day when the only print books around are old or published by indie publishers. If that happens, and people still want to read mainstream, new books, they&#8217;ll be forced to use electronic books. And if they can&#8217;t afford to buy them, from where will they get them?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with the logic that someone has no business buying an eReader if they can&#8217;t afford to purchase eBooks for it. Yes, people are buying eReaders (either for themselves or as gifts) because they expect libraries to have eBooks they can borrow. Shouldn&#8217;t they be able to expect this? The main purpose of libraries has always been to provide access to books; why should the format change this?</p>
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		<title>By: Overworked Librarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overworked Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 18:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spencer you are so right!  I am a little tired of the debate myself.  

People spend money on what they like and what&#039;s important to them.  I buy ebooks of text books and books that I have previewed and I know I want to own... or books that were very cheap (under $5 and many free).  I have hundreds of ebooks, more than I have time to read. I bought my kindles (recently upgraded to a Fire) to stop cluttering up my apartment with printed books.  

Libraries don&#039;t &#039;need&#039; to provide e-content. There should not be this huge focus on this as some wave of the future to modernize libraries.  

I have heard upper management of the public library where I work say, &#039;Our patrons don&#039;t care about printed books anymore&#039;.  They believe our patrons are mostly interested in internet access and movies.  It sounds to me like that idea of the library of the future is quite anti-library; like it will be devoid of books.  It&#039;s a ridiculous notion to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spencer you are so right!  I am a little tired of the debate myself.  </p>
<p>People spend money on what they like and what&#8217;s important to them.  I buy ebooks of text books and books that I have previewed and I know I want to own&#8230; or books that were very cheap (under $5 and many free).  I have hundreds of ebooks, more than I have time to read. I bought my kindles (recently upgraded to a Fire) to stop cluttering up my apartment with printed books.  </p>
<p>Libraries don&#8217;t &#8216;need&#8217; to provide e-content. There should not be this huge focus on this as some wave of the future to modernize libraries.  </p>
<p>I have heard upper management of the public library where I work say, &#8216;Our patrons don&#8217;t care about printed books anymore&#8217;.  They believe our patrons are mostly interested in internet access and movies.  It sounds to me like that idea of the library of the future is quite anti-library; like it will be devoid of books.  It&#8217;s a ridiculous notion to me.</p>
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