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	<description>Whatever It Is, I&#039;m Against It</description>
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		<title>By: Host</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/07/11/guns-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-217159</link>
		<dc:creator>Host</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 19:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, in michigan you cannot legally carry (concealed or open) in a courtroom or federal government building in addition MCL 28.425o states pistol free zones (excluding the parking lot):

-Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian
  
-Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.
  
-Sports arena or stadium
  
-A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises 
  
-Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official or officials allow concealed weapons
  
-An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more
  
-A hospital
  
-A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university
  
-A Casino]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, in michigan you cannot legally carry (concealed or open) in a courtroom or federal government building in addition MCL 28.425o states pistol free zones (excluding the parking lot):</p>
<p>-Schools or school property but may carry while in a vehicle on school property while dropping off or picking up if a parent or legal guardian</p>
<p>-Public or private day care center, public or private child caring agency, or public or private child placing agency.</p>
<p>-Sports arena or stadium</p>
<p>-A tavern where the primary source of income is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass consumed on the premises </p>
<p>-Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official or officials allow concealed weapons</p>
<p>-An entertainment facility that the individual knows or should know has a seating capacity of 2,500 or more</p>
<p>-A hospital</p>
<p>-A dormitory or classroom of a community college, college, or university</p>
<p>-A Casino</p>
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		<title>By: rmurillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>rmurillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 21:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I cannot believe the things people write.  I think they
do it for the fun, and to annoy other people.

They can be that stupid, furthermore, i bet these poor
souls  are in the teens..( we know the brain really does
not mature until 21?) I don&#039;t know, the fact is that
our good judgment takes a long time to develope]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot believe the things people write.  I think they<br />
do it for the fun, and to annoy other people.</p>
<p>They can be that stupid, furthermore, i bet these poor<br />
souls  are in the teens..( we know the brain really does<br />
not mature until 21?) I don&#8217;t know, the fact is that<br />
our good judgment takes a long time to develope</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t live in Michigan or Indiana, so I don&#039;t understand their law.  The way I&#039;m interpreting it here, as long as you have a license, you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon into any public building.  Here we have metal detectors in most court buildings, city halls, state buildings and even some schools.  You are not allowed to bring guns into these buildings even with a permit.  Is this not the case in Michigan?  Does every public building, including family court, have to allow in weapons?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t live in Michigan or Indiana, so I don&#8217;t understand their law.  The way I&#8217;m interpreting it here, as long as you have a license, you are allowed to carry a concealed weapon into any public building.  Here we have metal detectors in most court buildings, city halls, state buildings and even some schools.  You are not allowed to bring guns into these buildings even with a permit.  Is this not the case in Michigan?  Does every public building, including family court, have to allow in weapons?</p>
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		<title>By: JW Librarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/07/11/guns-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-156998</link>
		<dc:creator>JW Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jack, what you are suggesting is an arms race. This is something that countries have been trying to curtail for years and with good reasons, it doesn&#039;t work to produce international security. What does work is arms reduction from all world actors. On a microcosmic level, that means making guns harder to obtain, not illegal, but harder to obtain. 

With that said, it would be naive to think that we should all just frolic to our libraries thinking everything is okay. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SECURITY OFFICERS. You know, those trained, capable individuals who are equipped to deal with all sorts of criminal scenarios. 

You also seem to think that because there are occasional, highly outlier situations, such as a person going on a shooting spree in a movie theater, that it justifies a populace armed to the teeth in one big Wild West showdown of paranoia and petty squabbles. Well, that&#039;s the sort of thing Western Civ has been trying to avoid, however incrementally, over the last century. The only way things are really going to change is when the need for gun violence is the exception rather than the rule.

I have a feeling that this worldview is actually happening today as there is much less fatal violence today then there has been in a long time. True, guns are still freely available and therefore that means there must be other factors in why this decline, but at the same time, these outlier occurrences might be lessened if we were at the very least able to keep better tabs on folks buying unusual amounts of ammo, guns, and other death-dealing technology in short periods of time like the CO killer was doing, i.e. a red flag and way of reporting the suspicion. 

The library I work in, again, is in a very crime ridden city and not once in its 100 year history has there been a fatal or potentially fatal violent crime committed on its premises. This is not to say that it can&#039;t happen tomorrow, but the way the &quot;gun nuts&quot; (as opposed to the majority of gun owners who are normal, reasonable, and responsible) have it we live in a shoot em up Wild West world. We don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack, what you are suggesting is an arms race. This is something that countries have been trying to curtail for years and with good reasons, it doesn&#8217;t work to produce international security. What does work is arms reduction from all world actors. On a microcosmic level, that means making guns harder to obtain, not illegal, but harder to obtain. </p>
<p>With that said, it would be naive to think that we should all just frolic to our libraries thinking everything is okay. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE SECURITY OFFICERS. You know, those trained, capable individuals who are equipped to deal with all sorts of criminal scenarios. </p>
<p>You also seem to think that because there are occasional, highly outlier situations, such as a person going on a shooting spree in a movie theater, that it justifies a populace armed to the teeth in one big Wild West showdown of paranoia and petty squabbles. Well, that&#8217;s the sort of thing Western Civ has been trying to avoid, however incrementally, over the last century. The only way things are really going to change is when the need for gun violence is the exception rather than the rule.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that this worldview is actually happening today as there is much less fatal violence today then there has been in a long time. True, guns are still freely available and therefore that means there must be other factors in why this decline, but at the same time, these outlier occurrences might be lessened if we were at the very least able to keep better tabs on folks buying unusual amounts of ammo, guns, and other death-dealing technology in short periods of time like the CO killer was doing, i.e. a red flag and way of reporting the suspicion. </p>
<p>The library I work in, again, is in a very crime ridden city and not once in its 100 year history has there been a fatal or potentially fatal violent crime committed on its premises. This is not to say that it can&#8217;t happen tomorrow, but the way the &#8220;gun nuts&#8221; (as opposed to the majority of gun owners who are normal, reasonable, and responsible) have it we live in a shoot em up Wild West world. We don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 18:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Kind of weird reading this after the shooting in CO. Still, I’ve heard some gun nuts state that it would have been a good thing for justice in a dark theater full of noxious smoke and chaos if everyone were armed. I’m sure the armed theater goers would have ONLY hit their target and no one else in the melee.&quot;

Again, Librarians that rather you get taken out by a criminal than to &quot;sully&quot; the good name of the library by someone being able to save the lives of patron by actually bringing a gun to a GUNFIGHT.

So what is YOUR plan as to deal with someone that comes into your library and starts wasting innocent people?

Duck? Run? Call the police and hope for the best until they get there? Shush them???

The people in that theater in hindsight would have loved to have had the CHANCE to take him down. That establishment didn&#039;t allow &quot;gun nuts&quot; to go in with their protection.

&quot;Well no one could see, so no biggie! They were being choked by tear gas anyway&quot;! *facepalm*

The &quot;gun nuts&quot; followed the rules. The criminal looked at the sign, walked in anyway and now lots of people are dead.

But beware the &quot;gun nuts&quot;?

&quot;As far as libraries and guns? No. I work in an urban librarian in a infamously dangerous town and I’ve never experienced a situation that would have called for guns. In fact, there have been situations that if guns were available they may have been used.&quot;

So? With that callous attitude towards patron safety, I can only assume that there are likely lots of them that avoid that branch rather than take a risk knowing that the place is in a crime hole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kind of weird reading this after the shooting in CO. Still, I’ve heard some gun nuts state that it would have been a good thing for justice in a dark theater full of noxious smoke and chaos if everyone were armed. I’m sure the armed theater goers would have ONLY hit their target and no one else in the melee.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, Librarians that rather you get taken out by a criminal than to &#8220;sully&#8221; the good name of the library by someone being able to save the lives of patron by actually bringing a gun to a GUNFIGHT.</p>
<p>So what is YOUR plan as to deal with someone that comes into your library and starts wasting innocent people?</p>
<p>Duck? Run? Call the police and hope for the best until they get there? Shush them???</p>
<p>The people in that theater in hindsight would have loved to have had the CHANCE to take him down. That establishment didn&#8217;t allow &#8220;gun nuts&#8221; to go in with their protection.</p>
<p>&#8220;Well no one could see, so no biggie! They were being choked by tear gas anyway&#8221;! *facepalm*</p>
<p>The &#8220;gun nuts&#8221; followed the rules. The criminal looked at the sign, walked in anyway and now lots of people are dead.</p>
<p>But beware the &#8220;gun nuts&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;As far as libraries and guns? No. I work in an urban librarian in a infamously dangerous town and I’ve never experienced a situation that would have called for guns. In fact, there have been situations that if guns were available they may have been used.&#8221;</p>
<p>So? With that callous attitude towards patron safety, I can only assume that there are likely lots of them that avoid that branch rather than take a risk knowing that the place is in a crime hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Development Arrested</title>
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		<dc:creator>Development Arrested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, most people don&#039;t understand statistics (heck, I&#039;ve met librarians that don&#039;t understand inferential stats which is really scary since they should be equipped to at least evaluate research).  Most people&#039;s view of the world is based on the confirmation bias cherry-picking facts that line up with their world view.

This is what happens when you live in a society that rejects science and live in an echo chamber.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, most people don&#8217;t understand statistics (heck, I&#8217;ve met librarians that don&#8217;t understand inferential stats which is really scary since they should be equipped to at least evaluate research).  Most people&#8217;s view of the world is based on the confirmation bias cherry-picking facts that line up with their world view.</p>
<p>This is what happens when you live in a society that rejects science and live in an echo chamber.</p>
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		<title>By: JW Librarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/07/11/guns-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-156714</link>
		<dc:creator>JW Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Librarian in TX, I happen to work in one and have for many years, an urban one in a city with a high crime rate. A few accounts of violence in a library reported in the media is not proof that all libraries are dangerous all of the time. You need to stop interpreting outlier occurrences as the norm. I mean, do you understand the basic concepts of statistical reasoning?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Librarian in TX, I happen to work in one and have for many years, an urban one in a city with a high crime rate. A few accounts of violence in a library reported in the media is not proof that all libraries are dangerous all of the time. You need to stop interpreting outlier occurrences as the norm. I mean, do you understand the basic concepts of statistical reasoning?</p>
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		<title>By: JW Librarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/07/11/guns-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-156582</link>
		<dc:creator>JW Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 18:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think ZBoater is right. If Americans want to shoot each other, they have every right to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think ZBoater is right. If Americans want to shoot each other, they have every right to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: JW Librarian</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/07/11/guns-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-156580</link>
		<dc:creator>JW Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 17:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kind of weird reading this after the shooting in CO. Still, I&#039;ve heard some gun nuts state that it would have been a good thing for justice in a dark theater full of noxious smoke and chaos if everyone were armed. I&#039;m sure the armed theater goers would have ONLY hit their target and no one else in the melee. 

As far as libraries and guns? No. I work in an urban librarian in a infamously dangerous town and I&#039;ve never experienced a situation that would have called for guns. In fact, there have been situations that if guns were available they may have been used.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of weird reading this after the shooting in CO. Still, I&#8217;ve heard some gun nuts state that it would have been a good thing for justice in a dark theater full of noxious smoke and chaos if everyone were armed. I&#8217;m sure the armed theater goers would have ONLY hit their target and no one else in the melee. </p>
<p>As far as libraries and guns? No. I work in an urban librarian in a infamously dangerous town and I&#8217;ve never experienced a situation that would have called for guns. In fact, there have been situations that if guns were available they may have been used.</p>
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		<title>By: Librarian in TX</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/07/11/guns-your-library/comment-page-1/#comment-156439</link>
		<dc:creator>Librarian in TX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone one of you except Casper need to do some literature searches.  June 15, 2012 &quot;Doctors say a man is paralyzed from the waist down after getting shot in a library bathroom&quot;  Oh but you laugh and say libraries are safe.  Get a life and do your research before mouthing off about life in a public library.  When was the last time you visited one???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone one of you except Casper need to do some literature searches.  June 15, 2012 &#8220;Doctors say a man is paralyzed from the waist down after getting shot in a library bathroom&#8221;  Oh but you laugh and say libraries are safe.  Get a life and do your research before mouthing off about life in a public library.  When was the last time you visited one???</p>
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