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		<title>By: Dan Kleinman of SafeLibraries</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/09/24/a-solution-looking-for-a-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-187888</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kleinman of SafeLibraries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 02:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This AL post is positively reviewed here:
&quot;Wherein I Rant About Banned Books Week,&quot; by JoAnna, Pontifex Libris, 3 October 2012.
http://pontifexlibris.blogspot.com/2012/10/wherein-i-rant-about-banned-books-week.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This AL post is positively reviewed here:<br />
&#8220;Wherein I Rant About Banned Books Week,&#8221; by JoAnna, Pontifex Libris, 3 October 2012.<br />
<a href="http://pontifexlibris.blogspot.com/2012/10/wherein-i-rant-about-banned-books-week.html" rel="nofollow">http://pontifexlibris.blogspot.com/2012/10/wherein-i-rant-about-banned-books-week.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pondering Lib</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/09/24/a-solution-looking-for-a-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-179456</link>
		<dc:creator>Pondering Lib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I agree that a library in another state doesn&#039;t help Tuscon students, I don&#039;t think that BBW is made neglibile by the fact that the book is available in the county library or store.  The school may be the only place that a student may read the book due to a variety of issues such as transportation or finances.  You can&#039;t assume everyone will have the opportunity to read it. I lived 25 miles out of town as a student far from the public library with a gas station/grocery store.  The only books I had were from the school and on the odd trips to town if I was allowed to go to the public library and if I was allowed to borrow a book. We didn&#039;t have the money to buy them.

Opportunity is not as rampant in the US as we&#039;d like to believe and yeah, that&#039;s just the way it is but these obstacles are what makes a book banned in a community. Not the availabilty but the realistic opportunity for all people to obtain it.  The decision to remove a book from any environment should weigh this consequence. I can tell you that those books would never have been available to me as a student and it wouldn&#039;t be just my loss but our loss as a society in limiting the ability to read, learn, and understand others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that a library in another state doesn&#8217;t help Tuscon students, I don&#8217;t think that BBW is made neglibile by the fact that the book is available in the county library or store.  The school may be the only place that a student may read the book due to a variety of issues such as transportation or finances.  You can&#8217;t assume everyone will have the opportunity to read it. I lived 25 miles out of town as a student far from the public library with a gas station/grocery store.  The only books I had were from the school and on the odd trips to town if I was allowed to go to the public library and if I was allowed to borrow a book. We didn&#8217;t have the money to buy them.</p>
<p>Opportunity is not as rampant in the US as we&#8217;d like to believe and yeah, that&#8217;s just the way it is but these obstacles are what makes a book banned in a community. Not the availabilty but the realistic opportunity for all people to obtain it.  The decision to remove a book from any environment should weigh this consequence. I can tell you that those books would never have been available to me as a student and it wouldn&#8217;t be just my loss but our loss as a society in limiting the ability to read, learn, and understand others.</p>
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		<title>By: Development Arrested</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/09/24/a-solution-looking-for-a-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-179451</link>
		<dc:creator>Development Arrested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the Underground Library going to have zines?  It seems like it should have zines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the Underground Library going to have zines?  It seems like it should have zines.</p>
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		<title>By: Spekkio</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/09/24/a-solution-looking-for-a-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-179093</link>
		<dc:creator>Spekkio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 01:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It occurs to me that maybe we should look at this a different way. 

At first blush, if someone tells you they&#039;re starting an &quot;underground library,&quot; and you assume it&#039;s a solution to a problem, then you have to deduce the problem. The easiest assumption is banned books - which, as has been said repeatedly on this blog, is not really a problem in los Estados Unidos. 

But what if banned books are not the problem being addressed by the underground libraries? Can you think of any other way of looking at the issue? 

I can...if one instead assumes that the problem is heavy-handed radical conservative political influence in education, then setting up an &quot;underground library&quot; may be an effective means of bringing attention to - and protesting - the issue. And it&#039;s a hard form of protest to counter - there are no pointless marches, no ineffective boycotts, no sit-ins or &quot;occupations.&quot; There&#039;s no one for overenthusiastic police officers to beat up or arrest. There&#039;s no need for &quot;free speech zones&quot; (conveniently located where the media isn&#039;t paying any mind)

Looked at in this way, these &quot;underground libraries&quot; are a rather subversive way of calling out radical conservatives and reinforcing the narrative that they are censorial, behind the times, and most importantly, the villains of the piece. (After all, in a nation that purportedly values free speech and expression as much as we do, censors (real or imagined) are natural heels, are they not?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It occurs to me that maybe we should look at this a different way. </p>
<p>At first blush, if someone tells you they&#8217;re starting an &#8220;underground library,&#8221; and you assume it&#8217;s a solution to a problem, then you have to deduce the problem. The easiest assumption is banned books &#8211; which, as has been said repeatedly on this blog, is not really a problem in los Estados Unidos. </p>
<p>But what if banned books are not the problem being addressed by the underground libraries? Can you think of any other way of looking at the issue? </p>
<p>I can&#8230;if one instead assumes that the problem is heavy-handed radical conservative political influence in education, then setting up an &#8220;underground library&#8221; may be an effective means of bringing attention to &#8211; and protesting &#8211; the issue. And it&#8217;s a hard form of protest to counter &#8211; there are no pointless marches, no ineffective boycotts, no sit-ins or &#8220;occupations.&#8221; There&#8217;s no one for overenthusiastic police officers to beat up or arrest. There&#8217;s no need for &#8220;free speech zones&#8221; (conveniently located where the media isn&#8217;t paying any mind)</p>
<p>Looked at in this way, these &#8220;underground libraries&#8221; are a rather subversive way of calling out radical conservatives and reinforcing the narrative that they are censorial, behind the times, and most importantly, the villains of the piece. (After all, in a nation that purportedly values free speech and expression as much as we do, censors (real or imagined) are natural heels, are they not?</p>
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		<title>By: Development Arrested</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/09/24/a-solution-looking-for-a-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-179040</link>
		<dc:creator>Development Arrested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 21:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting aside, a former boss was considering banning Fifty Shades of Grey, but it was fine to have someone come in and try to sell a &quot;alkaline water&quot; that was supposedly going to cure cancer.  Because, otherwise that would be censorship... *gag*.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting aside, a former boss was considering banning Fifty Shades of Grey, but it was fine to have someone come in and try to sell a &#8220;alkaline water&#8221; that was supposedly going to cure cancer.  Because, otherwise that would be censorship&#8230; *gag*.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Cannon</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/09/24/a-solution-looking-for-a-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-178658</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t get it.  Are we saying that Banned Books Week has run its course and that books are no longer being banned?
I thought the point of the article was that people were opening up a &quot;library&quot; of banned books that weren&#039;t really banned because they were ignorant as to their status (or just being political hooligans). Maybe its like opening up an &quot;underground bar&quot; with &quot;banned beer&quot;, the kind that was outlawed during Prohibition.  More schtick than anything.
on the other hand, I know that books are still occasionally banned such as &quot;Fifty Shades of Grey&quot; in Brevard County in Florida (no longer banned now).
So the point is maybe:  lets keep vigilant in our awareness but moderate in our actions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it.  Are we saying that Banned Books Week has run its course and that books are no longer being banned?<br />
I thought the point of the article was that people were opening up a &#8220;library&#8221; of banned books that weren&#8217;t really banned because they were ignorant as to their status (or just being political hooligans). Maybe its like opening up an &#8220;underground bar&#8221; with &#8220;banned beer&#8221;, the kind that was outlawed during Prohibition.  More schtick than anything.<br />
on the other hand, I know that books are still occasionally banned such as &#8220;Fifty Shades of Grey&#8221; in Brevard County in Florida (no longer banned now).<br />
So the point is maybe:  lets keep vigilant in our awareness but moderate in our actions?</p>
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		<title>By: ISmellWonderful</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/09/24/a-solution-looking-for-a-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-178579</link>
		<dc:creator>ISmellWonderful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Ed: If you would use the same name and email each time, your comment would automatically be approved.]

The case around Dean Marney is an outlier. The practice of filtering the entire internet and then slowly unfiltering it on the basis of patron requests stinks of paternalism and wasteful personnel practices. You can&#039;t simultaneously claim that libraries shouldn&#039;t trump community standards and then say that the library knows better when it comes to unfiltering internet sites. That&#039;s the cognitive dissonance of your whole position. 

If Dean thinks it is the best use of his staff to spend time evaluating websites in regards to that absurd policy, that&#039;s a waste of taxpayer money. That staff could be out of the back areas and on a service desk or in a classroom. Perhaps they could teach a class on internet responsibility instead of trying to enforce it on other people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Ed: If you would use the same name and email each time, your comment would automatically be approved.]</p>
<p>The case around Dean Marney is an outlier. The practice of filtering the entire internet and then slowly unfiltering it on the basis of patron requests stinks of paternalism and wasteful personnel practices. You can&#8217;t simultaneously claim that libraries shouldn&#8217;t trump community standards and then say that the library knows better when it comes to unfiltering internet sites. That&#8217;s the cognitive dissonance of your whole position. </p>
<p>If Dean thinks it is the best use of his staff to spend time evaluating websites in regards to that absurd policy, that&#8217;s a waste of taxpayer money. That staff could be out of the back areas and on a service desk or in a classroom. Perhaps they could teach a class on internet responsibility instead of trying to enforce it on other people.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kleinman of SafeLibraries</title>
		<link>http://lj.libraryjournal.com/blogs/annoyedlibrarian/2012/09/24/a-solution-looking-for-a-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-178571</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kleinman of SafeLibraries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 18:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ISmellWonderful: I use dogma in quotations marks because I am quoting Dean Marney.  Here&#039;s library director Dean Marney&#039;s wake up call to local communities about outdated ALA &quot;dogma&quot;:

&quot;The outdated tenets about using technology to manage the Internet, promoted by the Freedom To Read Foundation (FTRF) and American Library Association (ALA) Office of Intellectual Freedom, express dogma and fundamentalism and deserve challenge.

....

&quot;Filtering offers a technological solution for a technological problem. If your filter is inadequate, find a better one.&quot;

As it turns out, Dean Marney challenged that ALA OIF dogma, and the OIF backed down and admitted filters work and blocking breast cancer is no longer a valid excuse for not filtering.

By the way, @ISmellWonderful, what soap/shampoo do you use?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ISmellWonderful: I use dogma in quotations marks because I am quoting Dean Marney.  Here&#8217;s library director Dean Marney&#8217;s wake up call to local communities about outdated ALA &#8220;dogma&#8221;:</p>
<p>&#8220;The outdated tenets about using technology to manage the Internet, promoted by the Freedom To Read Foundation (FTRF) and American Library Association (ALA) Office of Intellectual Freedom, express dogma and fundamentalism and deserve challenge.</p>
<p>&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Filtering offers a technological solution for a technological problem. If your filter is inadequate, find a better one.&#8221;</p>
<p>As it turns out, Dean Marney challenged that ALA OIF dogma, and the OIF backed down and admitted filters work and blocking breast cancer is no longer a valid excuse for not filtering.</p>
<p>By the way, @ISmellWonderful, what soap/shampoo do you use?</p>
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		<title>By: ISmellWonderful</title>
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		<dc:creator>ISmellWonderful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You put the word dogma between quotation marks. Are you doing that because you&#039;re not sure it&#039;s the right term? Or is it because your definition of dogma doesn&#039;t match the accepted definition of the term? Because when it comes to a set of beliefs that are incontrovertible in the face of opposing facts and reasons, you really may not know what the actual definition of dogma is.

Unless you think I&#039;m &quot;trolling&quot; you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You put the word dogma between quotation marks. Are you doing that because you&#8217;re not sure it&#8217;s the right term? Or is it because your definition of dogma doesn&#8217;t match the accepted definition of the term? Because when it comes to a set of beliefs that are incontrovertible in the face of opposing facts and reasons, you really may not know what the actual definition of dogma is.</p>
<p>Unless you think I&#8217;m &#8220;trolling&#8221; you.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 14:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may want to reconsider the practice of using BBW in place of spelling out &quot;Banned Books Week&quot;.

Unless, of course, you&#039;re testing the efficacy of an internet filter...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may want to reconsider the practice of using BBW in place of spelling out &#8220;Banned Books Week&#8221;.</p>
<p>Unless, of course, you&#8217;re testing the efficacy of an internet filter&#8230;</p>
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